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    Re: Rd. 1 headscratchers



    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    Darryl Smith is not, nor will he ever be, Ray Lewis. He's good, but . . .
    And?? So that precludes him from playing to 37 because????

    The point is people are acting as if it impossible for Smith to play out his contract. Which is pure speculation.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    LOL...wrong again. I believe the words you used before were "locked down" when referring to the ILB position. No one, that I know of was calling Brown a future Pro Bowler, and if they did they were wrong. Who goes ahead and crowns a late 2nd round pick as a future pro bowler? Only about 50% of guys taken in that range develop into anything. Meanwhile, CJ Mosley is a top 10 talent according to Ozzie and Eric D. Our FO rarely misses on first rounders, especially not in the top 20. And most scouts agree that Mosley was one of the safest picks in the draft. If you dont recognize that Mosley is a clear upgrade over Brown I cant help you
    When you have 2 projected starters for 2 starting spots...to me that is indeed locked down.

    Brown was a projected 1st rd LBer last year by many.

    Upgrade over Brown...because you've seen Arthur Brown play a full NFL season already? Because you've seen Mosley play in the NFL?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    So Roberts Woods, Goodwin and Mike Williams aren't weapons? In addition to Stevie Johnson, who could very well not be traded?

    I see that WR corp as very capable.
    So Marquise Goodwin, with a career 17 catches, is a superior weapon to Sammy Watkins? If you have an opportunity to upgrade with one of the best guys on the board, you do it. I already said the trade cost was too high IMO, but once they did that the pick was completely solid.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Because there won't be other ILBs available a year or two from now? Think about that word: now. Was ILB a need now? No.
    Short-sighted/short-term drafting results in a team always picking early.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Ray played until 37...so who knows.

    Point is ILB was locked up.
    Look at Smith's injury history. It was really impressive he didn't miss a game last year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    And?? So that precludes him from playing to 37 because????

    The point is people are acting as if it impossible for Smith to play out his contract. Which is pure speculation.
    He might play to that age, but he won't be playing as good as Mosley is capable of playing. To think otherwise is pure fantasy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    So Marquise Goodwin, with a career 17 catches, is a superior weapon to Sammy Watkins? If you have an opportunity to upgrade with one of the best guys on the board, you do it. I already said the trade cost was too high IMO, but once they did that the pick was completely solid.
    You know Goodwin got hurt last year right? Also he was clearly behind Woods on the depth chart. Both were rookies.

    Stevie Johnson, Mike Williams and Robert Woods alone is a solid 3 WRs.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post

    Upgrade over Brown...because you've seen Arthur Brown play a full NFL season already? Because you've seen Mosley play in the NFL?
    Strong logic
    BT1234 strikes again




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    Re: Rd. 1 headscratchers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    Strong logic
    BT1234 strikes again
    Because all stars from Alabama are automatically stars in the NFL. Right?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Because there won't be other ILBs available a year or two from now? Think about that word: now. Was ILB a need now? No.

    2 years from now...maybe. Now, no. Not when you just used a 2nd rd pick on the supposed future ILB and when you just inked a vet to a 4 year deal. No one knows how long Smith will play.
    There's one key point here...

    Let's go back to 1996 and say that the Ravens have a 32 year old MLB who is a decent starter. Ray Lewis is on the board at your pick, but you pass on him because "There will be other MLBs available a year or two from now".

    Could you live with yourself, passing on a special talent now, because you think someone will be available later? If the Ravens really think C.J. Mosley is a special, can't miss talent at ILB, you take him now because you may not have a chance to take that good a player at ILB in two years.

    Look at FS. We passed on the chance to take a great FS the past few years, and now you are looking at TERRIBLE FS class in 2014. Clinton-Dix, Ward, Brooks...and then a bunch of developmental players. Vs 2 years ago when we took Upshaw after trading back...we could've taken Harrison Smith at our original pick, who is considered a pretty good FS now. Now, he's no world beater yet, but the point is, we passed on FS, thinking we could draft it later after we were through with Ed. Instead, we find ourselves scraping the barrel trying to find a great FS now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    There's one key point here...

    Let's go back to 1996 and say that the Ravens have a 32 year old MLB who is a decent starter. Ray Lewis is on the board at your pick, but you pass on him because "There will be other MLBs available a year or two from now".
    Did they draft a MLB the prior year in rd. 2? If not...the comparison is pointless.

    Was Arthur Brown not drafted for the very same reason(s) last year that Mosley was this year?

    Ummm...coverage...check
    Ummm...high character...check

    How are these picks not redundant?




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    Quote Originally Posted by BmoreLove View Post
    Indeed.

    And CJ is even lighter than Brown was, despite being an inch taller.

    Was weight not a concern with Brown? Yes...it was.

    I mean this is like deja vu.




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    I'm going to repost what I said in another thread, as it is necessary to this discussion and practically the same discussion:

    I think the most important way for Mosley to prove his worth is to be a team leader, and the hardest worker on the field. Given how much the FO puts into character, they think this is what the guy will do. You can't underestimate a good work ethic and dedication to the game.




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    Re: Rd. 1 headscratchers

    After we drafted Brown last year:

    Based strictly on tape study, Rotoworld prospects guru Josh Norris considered Brown a top-10 overall player in this draft for his stack-and-shed ability, consistent physicality, and range in coverage. He should step in immediately as a starting inside linebacker in Baltimore
    How is Mosley not Brown part 2?




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