View Poll Results: Pick 17: Lee or Beckham or Cooks

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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario



    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I don't think Beckham is a reach at all at 17 although I do agree that there probably will be someone else that may fit a need a lot more.

    The others are slight reaches though IMHO.

    I don't think Beckam is a reach at 17 either, but I do think he'd be a bad value pick given the Ravens' current roster, offensive system (i.e. a lot of two tight end sets) and the other players who will be on the board in this scenario.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Lol at drafting a wr at 17 and having him sit behind Jacoby as a WR5.
    lol at understanding how rosters work.

    JJ dresses every Sunday as the starting punt/kick returner. For a 5th WR to make the game day roster, he would be REQUIRED to play ST's... and we already said that JJ is the starting punt and kick returner... Do any of these guys play gunner?




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    If the Ravens take Beckam over, say, Dennard or Gilbert, I don't think laughter is the appropriate response. But yes, I see that you are indeed one of those people who are obsessed with drafting a WR, so that explains the inane stipulations in the OP.
    I've read dennard could drop to late 20s. Guys like roby and fuller could leapfrog him.

    But its cool apparently you and jonboy know exactly what is going to happen in the draft.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    lol at understanding how rosters work.

    JJ dresses every Sunday as the starting punt/kick returner. For a 5th WR to make the game day roster, he would be REQUIRED to play ST's... and we already said that JJ is the starting punt and kick returner... Do any of these guys play gunner?
    having 5 WRs is different than being WR5 in priority.

    Very simple scenario. Jacoby is used primarily only on ST. Marlon primarily only in redzone. Pick 17 WR becomes WR2/3 depending on how Smith is used.
    Last edited by bt12483; 04-22-2014 at 05:42 PM.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    lol at understanding how rosters work.

    JJ dresses every Sunday as the starting punt/kick returner. For a 5th WR to make the game day roster, he would be REQUIRED to play ST's...
    I'm not so sure that is written in stone. If you have an offense that is going to go with 4 WRs on occasion and don't want to use Jacoby Jones in that role, then your 5th receiver is seeing the field on offense. There is no rule that says he has to play special teams, and other players (CBs, LBs) might simply be better on special teams, yet the #5 WR brings value elsewhere. In general I think you are right, but like I said, it's not a given.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    We need a 100 catch/yr #1 receiver in the Ravens offense, PERIOD, so don't discount the need at the WR position. The Ravens FO are probably thinking in their minds that we will not be drafting #17 again since we are a perennial playoff team, so this might be the year to go get that #1 receiver. I think Cooks (Antonio Brown with T Y Hilton speed) and Beckham (a faster Heinz Ward type) fit that bill (Lee... probably a #1B ceiling... so maybe the greater value is not there compared to the 2nd round mock players). The Ravens FO might not agree with me or you, but that's my opinion.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    I've read dennard could drop to late 20s. Guys like roby and fuller could leapfrog him.

    But its cool apparently you and jonboy know exactly what is going to happen in the draft.
    Well anything can happen, but it'd be really surprising to see Dennard fall past the Jets. They need/want a CB and he's a perfect fit for Rex's system. In any case, I don't know what that has to do with him being a better fit for the Ravens than Beckam. Roby and Fuller probably would be too!




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    Quote Originally Posted by ravensnhokies View Post
    We need a 100 catch/yr #1 receiver in the Ravens offense, PERIOD, so don't discount the need at the WR position. The Ravens FO are probably thinking in their minds that we will not be drafting #17 again since we are a perennial playoff team, so this might be the year to go get that #1 receiver. I think Cooks (Antonio Brown with T Y Hilton speed) and Beckham (a faster Heinz Ward type) fit that bill (Lee... probably a #1B ceiling... so maybe the greater value is not there compared to the 2nd round mock players). The Ravens FO might not agree with me or you, but that's my opinion.
    If Antonio Brown and Hines Ward are your idea of "!00 catch #1 guy," then you're essentially definining that by scheme and targets, and there's no reason that Torrey Smith can't put up those numbers.




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    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I'm not so sure that is written in stone. If you have an offense that is going to go with 4 WRs on occasion and don't want to use Jacoby Jones in that role, then your 5th receiver is seeing the field on offense. There is no rule that says he has to play special teams, and other players (CBs, LBs) might simply be better on special teams, yet the #5 WR brings value elsewhere. In general I think you are right, but like I said, it's not a given.
    Kubiak is going to use three tight ends if his offensive system stays more or less the same, so there's basically no way they dress four non-JJ receivers on a regular basis.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    As for the concept of "reach", that's just the opinion of some media types and posters on various boards. Ozzie has his own board and doesn't just download one off the internet, so how do we really know what is a reach or not a reach for the Ravens? We can all have opinions on it, but in the end it really boils down to this:

    "Who the hell is Mel Kiper?" - Bill Tobin, 1994 draft




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    Ya know, I don't agree with it, but I sort of get the obsesion with drafting a WR early. I don't get the idea that Jacoby is going to ONLY be a kick returner at all.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    As for the concept of "reach", that's just the opinion of some media types and posters on various boards. Ozzie has his own board and doesn't just download one off the internet, so how do we really know what is a reach or not a reach for the Ravens? We can all have opinions on it, but in the end it really boils down to this:

    "Who the hell is Mel Kiper?" - Bill Tobin, 1994 draft
    That doesn't really define a reach.




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    It's a trendy thing to take a WR high every draft... But the fact is, we are more than good enough to make the play offs again with what we have there, while addressing a much larger need (either FS or RT). We are probably going to get two day 1 starters and possibly a sub package player from a deep draft like this with where we happen to be picking (or at least that's what the expectations should be). I think we'd be better off taking a Jarvis Landry or Cody Lattimer in the 3rd, and let them sit behind Steve Smith for a year or two. This is unless Evans falls to 17 of course, or that all of the other guys like Taylor Lewan, Clinton Dix, or Zack Martin are gone, and we have no other options than the likes of Beckham or Cooks.

    Obviously Taylor Lewan is an absolute no brainer if he falls to us. If we somehow land him in the draft, I'd say we become front runners in the AFCN.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I'm more concerned with need here then "absolute value".
    Beckham to a team that NEEDS a WR, in the ballpark of pick 17 is completely different from Beckham to the Ravens at 17.

    "Should we draft our starting FS or our 5th WR this round?" is not a reasonable question to be asking. Again, TRUE BPA is one thing, but at 17 there is only 1 EXTREME scenario that makes Beckham TRUE BPA at 17, as if you eliminate QB's, I think I have him at EXACTLY 17... But as I stipulated earlier, if NO QB's go before our pick, I would think the phone's a ring-ing...

    I said the premise of the thread is flawed, because I can't envision a situation in reality where the Ravens have NO CHOICE but to take one of these three guys. IF we are gonna reach, I'd rather reach for Nix or Tuitt...
    I'm not disagreeing with you although I'd obviously be more ok with Beckham than you would be.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Gun to your head WR scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    That doesn't really define a reach.
    Sure it does. A lot of posters on this board are saying that Marqise Lee (for example) is a reach at 17. How do you know he's a reach at 17? Maybe the Ravens have him as their 17th best player, so if they choose him at 17 he certainly wasn't a reach - unless you think the media and some guys posting on a message board after work or between classes know more than Ozzie Newsome does.




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