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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam



    Quote Originally Posted by alienrace View Post
    If this guy hadn't "come out", nobody would be talking about him.

    Pass.
    How often have people not talked about the SEC Defensive Player of the Year heading into the draft?




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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by OhThePossibilities View Post
    How often have people not talked about the SEC Defensive Player of the Year heading into the draft?
    All Conference players are ignored all the time. Hell, how many times have we seen the Heisman winner get ignored? Going back 22 years (since the last two winners haven't been drafted yet) and 10 Heisman trophy winners weren't drafted in the top two rounds. Most fell below third.

    I get what you're saying, and I understand completely. But Sams wasn't considered more than a fifth round choice before he came out and that was after he won DPOY.

    If Sams were a first round talent, that's one thing. But he isn't. He's a situational player at best, and that isn't worth dealing with the media attention.

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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    In my humble opinion I'd rather deal with that media attention than the media circus of a player knocking his fiance out in a casino but that's just me. If anything that would bring more attention but from a PR standpoint it would deflect the Rice situation a bit and it's been noted that he will more than likely be drafted by a team with a good locker room that knows how to handle the press.




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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by Edward St.Grey View Post
    In my humble opinion I'd rather deal with that media attention than the media circus of a player knocking his fiance out in a casino but that's just me. If anything that would bring more attention but from a PR standpoint it would deflect the Rice situation a bit and it's been noted that he will more than likely be drafted by a team with a good locker room that knows how to handle the press.
    I don't care who you draft, the problems created by Rice aren't going away. Nothing is going to change that story.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I don't care who you draft, the problems created by Rice aren't going away. Nothing is going to change that story.
    Especially when his court date rolls around.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    If we go by production hes completely comparable to Upshaw.

    Sam
    48 T 19.0 TFL 11.5 S final season

    Upshaw
    52 t 18.0 tfl 9.5 s final season

    there was talk of Upshaw being a top 15 pick at one point because of those stats, were talking about Sam as a late rounder or UDFA. doesnt quite add up to me (drafts were completely different as well). Hes clearly not the athlete that Upshaw is, but that motor has gotten similar production in the same conference. Just seems to be a bigger gap between those two than the difference in athletic ability (neither are quick twitch). Frankly I think Upshaw should have been a lower pick so maybe thats the bigger issue i have than Sam being considered so much later. Either way, I dont see us needing another stiff LB/DE project with even less of a ceiling.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by Edward St.Grey View Post
    In my humble opinion I'd rather deal with that media attention than the media circus of a player knocking his fiance out in a casino but that's just me. If anything that would bring more attention but from a PR standpoint it would deflect the Rice situation a bit and it's been noted that he will more than likely be drafted by a team with a good locker room that knows how to handle the press.
    I'm not so concerned by the media attention.

    I'm more concerned about him fitting in an NFL level defense. His combine was terrible and he's the textbook definition of a tweener. Not big enough to be a DE, not enough experience as a standup LB.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    I'm not so concerned by the media attention.

    I'm more concerned about him fitting in an NFL level defense. His combine was terrible and he's the textbook definition of a tweener. Not big enough to be a DE, not enough experience as a standup LB.
    I think its more about lack of athleticism than experience at LB. If he can add some strength and get up into the 265 range I think hed be alright at 4-3 DE. Thats really the only position I see for the guy and even then im not sure hes a 3 downer. Thats another reason I see him comparable to Upshaw, I think thats his best position as well but he at least has the athleticism to be a 2 down OLB.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    I can't say I've seen a lot of him, but his resume is impressive.. That said, when I have seen him, all I really see is another guy like John Simon. I didn't like that pick last year (it was by far the most puzzling pick to me and the one I was most critical of on this board), didn't see any real role for him (and as it turned out, there wasn't one, and I still don't foresee one next year) so I can't imagine how we'd go about having two players like that under contract for 4-5 years.

    I wish him all the best, and I hope somebody drafts him and he does well, but I don't see the fit in our scheme.




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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Joe Barkett and Cameron Weiss "sports agents" with one client last year
    Their company, Empire Athletes, is a little more than a year old.
    Now they have a publicist they are collaborating with, Howard Bragman


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/26/sp...ther.html?_r=0
    There is no secretary, no staff beyond a couple of college interns, and until last week, their office was the apartment they share about 20 blocks from the Pacific Ocean. Their only client on an N.F.L. roster last season was Xavier Proctor, a defensive lineman on the Detroit Lions’ practice squad.
    Barkett did a little interning for Leigh Steinberg while in college.

    So you have a very marginal NFL prospect who is the biggest client for a fledgling sports acency, expect to hear as much publicity as they can squeeze out of this.

    Ravens are interested in any UDFA LB/DE until a better one comes along and knocks him off the list
    (CR Michael McAdoo comes to mind quickly as does Chavis Williams, we drafted Barnes and Burgess and still signed Edgar Jones and there was a 4th who didn't make it Haley??)

    Expect more Sam hype exery chance they get, pity the agency whose best prospect he is, but domn't pity them too much, at least one of the 2 drives a Porsche, they are getting themselves known as best they can in all this also.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    If we go by production hes completely comparable to Upshaw.

    Sam
    48 T 19.0 TFL 11.5 S final season

    Upshaw
    52 t 18.0 tfl 9.5 s final season

    there was talk of Upshaw being a top 15 pick at one point because of those stats, were talking about Sam as a late rounder or UDFA. doesnt quite add up to me (drafts were completely different as well). Hes clearly not the athlete that Upshaw is, but that motor has gotten similar production in the same conference. Just seems to be a bigger gap between those two than the difference in athletic ability (neither are quick twitch). Frankly I think Upshaw should have been a lower pick so maybe thats the bigger issue i have than Sam being considered so much later. Either way, I dont see us needing another stiff LB/DE project with even less of a ceiling.
    Stats only tell part of the story. Go look at Sam on youtube. His highlight reel is the same pass rush over and over again.

    In 2012 Phillip Steward OLB at the University of Houston had 71 Tackles 19 TFL 2 Interceptions and 11 sacks. He went undrafted and was signed by the Rams. The guy was a great college player and had the numbers but that only means so much when evaluating a prospect.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    UDFA.
    If he is still on the board come rounds 6 or 7, you can bet Lord Roger will be making some "encouraging" phone calls to a few front office execs.




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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Stats only tell part of the story. Go look at Sam on youtube. His highlight reel is the same pass rush over and over again.

    In 2012 Phillip Steward OLB at the University of Houston had 71 Tackles 19 TFL 2 Interceptions and 11 sacks. He went undrafted and was signed by the Rams. The guy was a great college player and had the numbers but that only means so much when evaluating a prospect.
    Id say Upshaws was the same pass rush over and over as well. Like I said, I think it goes to show taht people including Ozzie overvalued upshaw if anything.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    Id say Upshaws was the same pass rush over and over as well. Like I said, I think it goes to show taht people including Ozzie overvalued upshaw if anything.
    I agree that Upshaw was overvalued but there is a big difference between a player who was taken at the top of the 2nd round who now looks more like a later 2nd or early 3rd round player and a player who doesn't look like he could start on defense in the NFL.

    Upshaw is still a starter. That's what you are looking for when you draft a player in round 2.
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    Re: Ravens, Pats and Jets are Interested in Michael Sam

    If he's a smart kid who doesn't commit dumb penalties, I'd have no problem taking him in the later rounds as a ST'er.




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