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04-14-2014, 07:57 AM #25Legendary RSR Poster
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Another 49er in trouble
I'm very familiar with the case and the article isn't doing the the case justice.
What the court is saying is the police have a responsibility to everyone. Not just an individual with a court order. The police had no way of knowing the husband would loose his marbles and kill his children, thus cannot be held liable for their deaths.
There are a dozen or so similar cases ruled by SCOTUS that the police are not responsible for the well being of an individual.
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
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04-14-2014, 08:17 AM #27
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Poor choice of words on my part...
I meant that them being efficient and effective at their job duties generally directly benefits your well being. In the case of the TSA agents, I'd rather be polite and do what is asked of me, so that they have more time to root out someone who is trying to bring harm to people or an airplane.
Now, then you could cross into an argument of "Is it someone's responsibility to call out a TSA agent if they seem to be doing a poor job, thus putting your own safety in potential jeopardy, enabling your responsibility for keeping yourself alive?" But that'd be getting WAYYYYY off topic :).
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04-14-2014, 08:46 AM #28Legendary RSR Poster
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04-14-2014, 09:00 AM #29Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
Liability is everything in this case, not one thing. They sued in civil court.
The police have a duty to protect the welfare of the community. Thus, they have discretion as to what calls, and in what order, they answer. The family of Gonzalez felt they had a duty to stop everything they were doing and find the husband. And what would they issue the warrant on? The police didn't see anything and they cannot issue a warrant based off the word of someone else. If that were the case, any person could walk up to a cop, make some shit up and get a warrant for their arrest.
This may be worth moving to the OT area. Perhaps Wicked can make that happen.
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
civil case I guess it is everything. I guess im saying theres a difference in critiquing the police for not following through with the protective order that he broke, by grabbing the kids off the property, or the fact that he kidnapped them to begin with, which is usually not taken lightly vs being responsible for their deaths directly. I dont see them responsible, but i do think they could have done something. Not knowing the particulars if they had more pressing things to attend to than so be it. I do think child abduction cases are usually exceptions to that but maybe there is a time missing prerequisite to even issue such.
im good with moving back on topic.-JAB
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
heard a rumor that the 9ers are working a deal to trade Harbaugh, Kap and A. Smith to the Browns for their draft picks. Its twue it's twue...
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
The job of the police is to protect the community, not any particular individual. They aren't liable if they failed to protect an individual.
I'm not going to leap to judgement on what happened between Smith and the TSA officer, since nothing I've seen provides the context of what happened. Smart or not, Smith's comment could have been a reaction to rudeness on the part of the TSA, for instance. Or he could just be an ass.
This is an instance where video and audio evidence would be helpful.
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04-15-2014, 06:59 AM #33
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
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04-16-2014, 09:27 PM #35
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04-16-2014, 10:08 PM #36Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Another 49er in trouble
"Somebody set up us the bomb" Aldon Smith meme left as an exercise for the reader.
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