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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels



    Based on his name, not performance.




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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    That's correct. Yanda was not himself.
    He never got the chance to get in the shape he is used to being in.
    KO was hurt. And Gino was terrible.
    That is the entire middle of the Oline...plus Oher.
    Right now, on paper, we have an Oline ready to run the new offense.
    And the players, hopefully will FIT the new system.
    It is a more athletic line. That was part of the problem, compounded with the injuries.
    We did not have any quality depth.
    I don't think that will happen again.




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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    IIRC, Ravens seem to swing back and forth with the OLine
    They always try to keep a pipeline of developmentals in the flow, hoping to use the higher rounds on more skill positions.
    Then the pendulum swings and we realize that Harewood, Jah, Hale, Reitz, Hall, Mattison and the ilk aren't going to cut it, and we spend some high picks on OL like Grubbs, Oher and 2nd round KO, Chester (sorry Adam Terry)

    There are successes from time to time after the first couple of rounds like Yanda in the 3rd (remember that Yanda was out 2nd 3rd rounder we took Yamon Figures before him), Jason Brown, and Tony Pashos did develop as a 4th

    Hard to call this year if we take an OL 1st but with the failure of Jah, loss of Oher, injury to KO, shakiness of Gino....
    We have only had one OL in the first 2 rounds of the last 4 years..... Zuttah is a wild card in the mix, but I think it is time for OL very early based on pendulum swings.
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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    Quote Originally Posted by Rxdoxx View Post
    IIRC, Ravens seem to swing back and forth with the OLine
    They always try to keep a pipeline of developmentals in the flow, hoping to use the higher rounds on more skill positions.
    Then the pendulum swings and we realize that Harewood, Jah, Hale, Reitz, Hall, Mattison and the ilk aren't going to cut it, and we spend some high picks on OL like Grubbs, Oher and 2nd round KO, Chester (sorry Adam Terry)

    There are successes from time to time after the first couple of rounds like Yanda in the 3rd (remember that Yanda was out 2nd 3rd rounder we took Yamon Figures before him), Jason Brown, and Tony Pashos did develop as a 4th

    Hard to call this year if we take an OL 1st but with the failure of Jah, loss of Oher, injury to KO, shakiness of Gino....
    We have only had one OL in the first 2 rounds of the last 4 years..... Zuttah is a wild card in the mix, but I think it is time for OL very early based on pendulum swings.
    I agree. If the Ravens can get a plug-in RT within the first two rounds, then I'd be satisfied. The signings of Monroe and Zuttah show Ozzie means business when it comes to bolstering the Oline. Letting Oher walk, which I was in favor of, means there's a hole @ RT. KO was OK there, but seems more suited @ LG. If we can get a guy like Lewan, Moses, or JJames among others, then I'd be ... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by ikethegreat View Post
    Based on his name, not performance.
    That's just not true at all. Check filmstudy's grades of him, the grades are still pretty solid. He wasn't Yanda from the SB, but he was still a good player, and our only good lineman along with Monroe in 2013.

    I think that Kubiak instantly upgrades the line with his scheme in place. Now we have a better C, KO returning at LG, who will be an upgrade over Shipley, Yanda and Monroe will both likely be high level players. The one question is at RT. Is Wagner good enough to start at RT? Will he be an upgrade over Oher? I'm just not sold personally. I'm hoping for Zack Martin at this point, he could well be an instant upgrade over Oher at RT in Kubiak's scheme.




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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    No, I didn't miss the entire off season. They appear to be better, but we won't know until the games start. You're assuming that Wagner is going to be very good, KO will be 100 percent, and Yanda will be back playing at a pro bowl level. How will Zuttah mesh with the rest of the line? Although, on paper, it looks very promising, there are still a lot of question marks. I love the Kubiak hire and I'm hoping he can turn it around, but remember, he's taking over an offense that was historically bad.
    I already know Wagner is going to be good. I saw him stand his man up in Miami as Rice scored over him and he was a rookie.

    Zuttah is a millions times better than Gino and played in every game every year he was in JAX. That's a give.

    KO says his back is better and he's in the weight room lifting.

    Yanda is also a given. He was the only one who learned the ZBS.

    This line is much better as it stands and gets even better with Zack Martin. That's a fact
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    KO says his back is better and he's in the weight room lifting.
    Comparatives are tricky things, AF. Better than when it landed him on IR last year? Almost surely. Better enough to approach his 2012 level of play? Not by any means a given.
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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Zuttah is a millions times better than Gino and played in every game every year he was in JAX.
    Zuttah played for Tampa Bay, not Jacksonville. Florida is Florida, I suppose.




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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    That's just not true at all. Check filmstudy's grades of him, the grades are still pretty solid. He wasn't Yanda from the SB, but he was still a good player, and our only good lineman along with Monroe in 2013.

    I think that Kubiak instantly upgrades the line with his scheme in place. Now we have a better C, KO returning at LG, who will be an upgrade over Shipley, Yanda and Monroe will both likely be high level players. The one question is at RT. Is Wagner good enough to start at RT? Will he be an upgrade over Oher? I'm just not sold personally. I'm hoping for Zack Martin at this point, he could well be an instant upgrade over Oher at RT in Kubiak's scheme.
    I'm not counting on that. There was a lot of heady optimism on this board when we hired Castillo and Caldwell. I hope Kubiak will be the answer, or at least part of a solution. We are improved on paper, IF Kubiak's system proves to be a good fit with our personnel, IF KO's back is healed, IF Yanda is the Yanda from the second half of last year and not the first, and IF whoever plays RT ends up being more Zeus and less Adam Terry.

    That's a lot of IF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post

    I'm not counting on that. There was a lot of heady optimism on this board when we hired Castillo and Caldwell. I hope Kubiak will be the answer, or at least part of a solution. We are improved on paper, IF Kubiak's system proves to be a good fit with our personnel, IF KO's back is healed, IF Yanda is the Yanda from the second half of last year and not the first, and IF whoever plays RT ends up being more Zeus and less Adam Terry.

    That's a lot of IF.
    We could certainly do with Zeus, such a tough son of a bitch in the trenches.




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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    There was a lot of heady optimism on this board when we hired Castillo and Caldwell.
    Heady optimism is what the off season's all about, right? Just ask the folks a little ways south down I-95.

    Granted, there are high expectations for Kubiak. But I am cautiously optimistic.




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    Re: HARBs has big plans for Daniels

    The problem wasnt Castillo. It was the dummies like Gino and Oher that couldn't learn his system which worked great in Philly for years. Yanda ended up with the line calls because he was the only dude that learned it. HARBs had Gino sitting in the first row of the line meetings taking notes while he watched in the back.

    You gotta have the players that can learn the ZBS and Castillo has a very difficult scheme to learn but it worked in Philly. He was one of the best line coaches in the game.

    As for Caldwell, there were plenty of posters here that had doubts from the beginning.

    As for Kubes, he was a head coach for years and an o-coord for years before that and a QB for years before that. His system is proven and his ZBS is easier to learn. He won't be making the lousy play calling that Caldwell did. We even have his TE from Houston who is much better than Dallas Clark was last year.

    Wait til you see Daniels and Pitta hitting the middle from opposite sides at the same time after Torrey and JJ take their guys deep and Steve Smith underneath of them.

    It's gonna be an exciting offense.
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