The case for (or against) Ed Dickson

**JustaslowZ06** · 03-26-2014, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Their second TE caught 50 balls last year. And Garrett Graham will never be known as "more of a blocker.

They use their second TE as a pass catcher.

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Daniels was hurt. Last year is a bad comparison.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 03-26-2014, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Daniels was hurt. Last year is a bad comparison.

Garrett Graham is still a primarily receiving TE and a mediocre blocker. He's 6-3 245 for crying out loud...the same size as Daniels and smaller than Dickson. Yet they were in the same formation when they both were healthy in 2 TE sets.

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**JustaslowZ06** · 03-26-2014, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

Garrett Graham is still a primarily receiving TE and a mediocre blocker. He's 6-3 245 for crying out loud...the same size as Daniels and smaller than Dickson. Yet they were in the same formation when they both were healthy in 2 TE sets.

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I'll take your word for it. I just remember every time they ran 2 TE sets it was Daniels standing up for the most part and their 2nd with his hand in the dirt. That also follows what everywhere has been saying about Kubes.

**ursula** · 03-26-2014, 10:38 PM

Seems like at this point the Ravens should just wait and see if the draft turns up a TE they like. If not then Daniels or Dickson will probably still be available.

**Corey** · 03-26-2014, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

the only reason Torrey, Brown even started was because of injuires that forced the coaching staff to bring those guys out on the field, lets call a spade a spade Harbaugh doesn't really like playing rookies.

JJ was supposed to be #2, I'll give you that but our #3 receiver was supposed to be Thompson, who is also an UDFA and a very inexperienced player in his own right. So, yes you can make the case Brown only saw the field because of injury but how do you explain the team having big plans for Thompson.

**Raveninwoodlawn** · 03-26-2014, 10:50 PM

I'd like to know what injury forced the team to start the Denver game with Marlon Brown on the field...the very first play of the season with a healthy Jacoby.

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**B-more Ravor** · 03-26-2014, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I'd like to know what injury forced the team to start the Denver game with Marlon Brown on the field...the very first play of the season with a healthy Jacoby.

Exactly. When Brown was finally healthy he had at least Thompson, Reed, Mellette and LaQuan ahead of him (with Jacoby and Torrie already up there).

OTOH, with Pitta out and Dickson banged up and sitting during TC/PS, Furstenberg couldn't overcome Clark and Shianco (sp?).

I mean if he is so good and such a sure fire NFL TE, why did he last on our PS for so long? Remember when we released him prior to adding him to the PS - he was NEVER going to clear waivers, teams like Pitts and Buff, etc, etc were going to scoop him up.

And.......nada.

**B-more Ravor** · 03-26-2014, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

the FO knew they dropped the ball in the offseason they had no choice but to go out and get a broken down clarke and an over hill stokely, they needed some kind of proven ability, which all that did was took chances from younger guys who could have made some kind of impact.

Or, they had already seen the young guys throughout OTAs, TC and the PS - not just some nice plays in the 4th qtr of a couple of PS games - and knew they weren't ready.

OTOH, those that were ready - Marlon - got their chance.

**B-more Ravor** · 03-27-2014, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

so did bart scott, as of recently Marlon Brown

Those are clearly the exception, not the rule.

The Ravens have been one of the best teams when it comes to UDFAs, but even out of those who have made the team over the years (1-3 a year on average probably), how many have become legitimate starters?

Starters - Holmes, Bennie Anderson, Will Demps, Mike Flynn, Kemo, Bart Scott, Jameel, Ellerbe, Bynes, Tucker

Lesser guys - Lionel Dalton, Randy Hymes, Ricard, Katula, Cox, McClellan.

I'm sure there are a few that are escaping me.

So, over 17 seasons, out of the 10-20 UDFAs they sign after the draft and the couple more sign to the PS during the season, that's 10 guys that started and a handful of guys who saw significant time. So, that's 17-20 guys out of 255 UDFAs over the years(that's a conservative 15 players per year for 17 years) = 6.67% who ever turn into anything.

And, heck, 3 of those are LS and a PK.

And, of those - not counting the specialists - only Demps, Anderson and Brown started as rookies.

Now, perhaps, Furstenburg will buck that trend, but clearly the odds are that he won't, so bringing up the exceptions isn't really much support for saying that he will.