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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year



    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool5 View Post
    I read that we were present at Ole Miss's pro day to evaluate Moncrief. Greg Cosell, for what it's worth, really likes this kid. He's someone to keep an eye on as the draft process unfolds.
    I hope they were impressed with him.
    I think he is the second coming of Boldin, except faster, stronger, younger, and bigger.
    They questioned his speed until he ran a 4.4 at the combine.
    On tape, he has not been caught from behind and with him doing a broad jump of 11', he has a burst and is explosive.
    I think he IS THE guy to go over the middle, help move the chains and take the pressure off of Pitta and whoever else is at TE....which I hope is Amaro.
    Amaro at 6'5' 265 and great hands with over 100 catches and over 1300 yards last season would be a great pairing with Pitta.

    There's the two receivers to get.
    The only question in my mind is, if we can trade back a little to grab another pick in the second so that we get those 2 receivers and one for the Oline. Marcus Martin at center or Morgan Moses at RT.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    To nab a WR "early" in the Draft then we will take one at #17 or trade down with someone like CAR or SF.
    I think the top two tiers* of WRs could be wiped clean before #47 as I see 8-10 teams between #18 and #46 that could take a WR.

    1. Beckham
    2. Benjamin (some think he's special, I strongly disagree, but I'll put him here anyway)
    3. Cooks
    4. Landry
    5. Lee
    6. Matthews
    7. Moncrief
    8. Robinson

    That leaves us with only Richardson (another guy that I think is overvalued), Adams (explosive, but no special WR skills IMO; all upside) and Herron (who I think can be a player).
    While I have liked Herron since my summer viewing, I think that passing up on the talent above would be a grave mistake.
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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    If they liked Beckham, or any of the other non-Watkins/Evans receivers, enough to draft them at 17 I don't think they would have signed Steve Smith. My guess is they're focused on OL/TE, which are both *must have* priorities, with the first 1-2 round picks.
    TE class is not very good this year... the biggest Upside being Ebron, which also has Dickson 2.o possibilities. I go O line, defense picks one and two




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    TE class is not very good this year... the biggest Upside being Ebron, which also has Dickson 2.o possibilities. I go O line, defense picks one and two
    There are certainly some good TE prospects, but outside of Ebron, I wouldn't touch any of them before round-2.
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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    To nab a WR "early" in the Draft then we will take one at #17 or trade down with someone like CAR or SF.
    I think the top two tiers* of WRs could be wiped clean before #47 as I see 8-10 teams between #18 and #46 that could take a WR.

    1. Beckham
    2. Benjamin (some think he's special, I strongly disagree, but I'll put him here anyway)
    3. Cooks
    4. Landry
    5. Lee
    6. Matthews
    7. Moncrief
    8. Robinson

    That leaves us with only Richardson (another guy that I think is overvalued), Adams (explosive, but no special WR skills IMO; all upside) and Herron (who I think can be a player).
    While I have liked Herron since my summer viewing, I think that passing up on the talent above would be a grave mistake.
    I kinda agree with you.

    The last draft class that was similar to this one was the 2004 draft class...that class had guys like Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Lee Evans etc... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft

    I remember we were very desperate for a WR that year and it was the year after we gave up our #1 pick for Boller so our first pick was #51.

    It was such a deep draft, I thought we'd have a shot at a really good WR...but in fact, they were virtually ALL wiped out by our pick...7 guys went in the first round (the majority of them were busts and the last 2 Rashaun Woods and Micheal Jenkins were obvious reaches IMHO in the first round) and I remember the last guy I wanted was picked right before us at 50 (Devery Henderson). I first started thinking we were going to be screwed when teams started reaching...Lee Evans was thought of as a 20-25 pick, but went 13th, Mike Clayton was originally thought of as a late first but went 15th. And then the reaches with Woods and Jenkins.

    We wound up with Dwan Edwards and the WR we picked was Devard Darling.

    So I can definitely see a scenario where the top 10 receivers are all gone by 48 and we'd have to move onto the next tier of guys.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    There are certainly some good TE prospects, but outside of Ebron, I wouldn't touch any of them before round-2.
    What about dropping down in the 1st round, getting an extra second round pick and grabbing Amaro nearer the bottom of the first?
    Pairing him with Pitta could really help Kubiak run his double tightend offense and grab an Olineman with their very next pick.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens44 View Post
    What about dropping down in the 1st round, getting an extra second round pick and grabbing Amaro nearer the bottom of the first?
    Pairing him with Pitta could really help Kubiak run his double tightend offense and grab an Olineman with their very next pick.
    I don't particularly care for Amaro, but I am always a proponent of trading down if the guy they covet isn't there at 17 or will likely be there after trading down.

    Say they really want Brandin Cooks...he could go anywhere from pick 18-32, but I doubt he goes in the top-15. The Ravens could definitely trade down and look at someone like Cooks, Beckham, or even Lee.
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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    With re-siging Jones and bringing in Smith, seems highly unlikely the Ravens double dip, especially being out later rounds picks from the Monroe trade.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    First round picks aren't going to be on the inactive list, though, so even that would give you four every game receivers in addition to Smith/Mellette. I'm just saying I think they signed Smith as a stopgap at that position, and are likely looking for an OT, safety, or Ebron with that first pick.
    A 1st round pick won't be inactive but Mellette might. Mellette might not even make the team. Same with Thompson and others. Injuries are also an issue. Who knows what receiver is going to miss time? Ozzie isn't going to cross 1st round WR off the list because he signed a 35 year old Steve Smith and a 32 year old Jacoby Jones. If the best player there in round 1 is a WR he's going to take him. Same with pretty much every position short of QB and kickers.
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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    To nab a WR "early" in the Draft then we will take one at #17 or trade down with someone like CAR or SF.
    I think Green Bay drafts at 21. If Ebron is on the board at 17, you can bet that Green Bay will be on the phone, as they have a TE need. That could be the Ravens' trading partner.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeCool5 View Post
    I read that we were present at Ole Miss's pro day to evaluate Moncrief. Greg Cosell, for what it's worth, really likes this kid. He's someone to keep an eye on as the draft process unfolds.
    I wish Donte Moncrief wasn't getting so much attention. I've been pimping this guy for a while and think he has a big upside as a 3rd rounder. Unfortunately, I think with his combine numbers he's going to be gone before the first 80 picks. If the Ravens want him, it's a 2nd round pick or a trade up into the early 3rd. If fact, I agree with the thought that the good WRs are gone by the time the 2nd round is over.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    TE class is not very good this year... the biggest Upside being Ebron, which also has Dickson 2.o possibilities. I go O line, defense picks one and two
    Comparing Ebron to Dickson is ridiculous.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    A 1st round pick won't be inactive but Mellette might. Mellette might not even make the team. Same with Thompson and others. Injuries are also an issue. Who knows what receiver is going to miss time? Ozzie isn't going to cross 1st round WR off the list because he signed a 35 year old Steve Smith and a 32 year old Jacoby Jones. If the best player there in round 1 is a WR he's going to take him. Same with pretty much every position short of QB and kickers.
    "Best player available" is just a catchphrase they use. In reality, people get graded out and, in the early rounds, you're picking for a mix of BPA and the needs of your roster.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    I think Green Bay drafts at 21. If Ebron is on the board at 17, you can bet that Green Bay will be on the phone, as they have a TE need. That could be the Ravens' trading partner.
    I'd rather see them just take Ebron. For the life of me I don't get why everyone is so obsessed with getting a WR not named Mike Evans.




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    Re: I honestly think the Ravens should double-dip at WR this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    Comparing Ebron to Dickson is ridiculous.
    I agree.

    Jermaine Gresham is a better comparison.




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