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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program



    Was talking to my son about it last night. It was nice to see them end the regular season on a high note but damn they didn't even make the NIT! Pathetic and wait until they're facing Mich St., OSU, Wisconsin, etc. on a regular basis.

    I have patience that next year will be better but with the facilities they have and Underarmour, they should be able to attract top talent IMO.
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    The most disappointing thing about the Turtles to me is that they just look poorly coached. Turg has a proven track record of maximizing performance, getting the most out of mediocre talent. At MD, it's been the opposite and I don't know why. They jack up wild quick threes when they should be milking clock. They make stupid fouls. They make lazy passes. They go to sleep on defense like they did in the last play of the season.

    I would feel better if they were just overmatched.
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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Exactly.

    And he's still getting screwed over by the University. If you believe John Feinstein (he's well connected at UMD), Anderson wanted to bring in Mike Leach instead of Edsall but was basically told you're hiring Edsall or your gone. It also doesn't help that Anderson and Gary are friends.
    I remember when they were searching for Freidgen's replacement I wanted Leach badly. Didn't understand the Edsall hire but now it makes sense. I also didn't know Anderson and Gary are friends. It's like a giant soap opera.




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    Turgeon sucks but he's here for another 2 years at least due to that stupid ass contract Kevin Anderson gave him.

    I never thought I'd feel better about Randy Edsall and the direction of the football program than our basketball program...and that's extremely worrying.

    To think we could have had Mike Leach and Sean Miller if it weren't for Kevin bumbling Anderson. He can't close deals, is lazy and makes horrible hiring decisions.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Actually Debbie Yow is the one who f@cked over the program by mismanagement of funds. Who can forget the story of her going to Gary Williams not 3 years removed from a national title and asking him to use a charter bus instead of flying to away games? A bus? For a major college hoops program. Good thing he told her to go f.ck herself. She allocated funds to the non revenue generating sports like women's field hockey and swimming, while kicking the can down the road. Then she jumped ship and left Kevin Anderson with a mess.
    Don't hang it on Debbie Yow. At least she knows a decent basketball coach when she sees one. N.C. State is going to the tournament 3 straight years since she hired Mark Gottfried. Hell Turgeon can't even get an invite to the NIT.




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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac1123 View Post
    Don't hang it on Debbie Yow. At least she knows a decent basketball coach when she sees one. N.C. State is going to the tournament 3 straight years since she hired Mark Gottfried. Hell Turgeon can't even get an invite to the NIT.
    I was responding to the post about Kevin Anderson screwing over the program. Yow and her feud with Gary Williams is well known. She actually wanted to fire him in '07, but didn't count on the fact that he was well respected among his peers, and more importantly, had major clout in College Park. Anderson is in no way getting a pass, either. He should have never fired Freidgen, and like Woodlawn stated, can't close. We almost had Sean Miller, but Anderson switched up at the eleventh hour and started haggling over the contract and Miller said no thanks. Word is Miller was all set to make the announcement that he was leaving to come to Maryland but Anderson screwed it up.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac1123 View Post
    Don't hang it on Debbie Yow. At least she knows a decent basketball coach when she sees one. N.C. State is going to the tournament 3 straight years since she hired Mark Gottfried. Hell Turgeon can't even get an invite to the NIT.
    She no doubt made the better BB coach hire, but I do get annoyed as hell when people blame all our financial woes on Anderson.

    She is the one who oversaw us build a BB arena that is unable to host other events (who the hell builds a new arena that can't host concerts/WWE/conventions these days) and sits unused for almost 310 days a year. She oversaw a ridiculous expansion of Byrd where we have tons of unused suites...she went ahead with the Tyser expansion when in reality, they should have torn Tyser down and went with a more symmetrical stadium. She insisted on having 27 freaking sports at a school that does not monetarily support it's Athletic Department and gets no financial support from the government to keep those sports going. She fueded with Gary basically the entire time he was here, shortchanged his staff and restricted his ability to hire coaches at competitive salaries while backing up the brinks truck for Brenda Frese and her assistants (no way the womens assistants should have been making more than Gary's). She took all the credit for our tremendous success from 2000-2004 even though she didn't hire Gary, and was forced to hire Fridge, and then threw them under the bus at every opportunity when both sports started to struggle some. She is the one that took the option to take all of the rights fees for Comcast and Capital One for our stadium and Arena early so that even though both have naming rights for another 10+ years, the fees were all spent under her watch and we are not and won't be receiving any money for those rights until the contracts are up. She cooked the hell out of the books, used every bit of resources she had to borrow future money knowing at some point we'd have to bite the bullet and pay Paul...and ran out of here as soon as that happened.

    I can't fucking stand "Dr." Yow or her wanna be coaching husband. Anderson is terrible, but at least he has the nuts to make some very hard decisions that he knows are not popular and will make him look bad in the public eye.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    She no doubt made the better BB coach hire, but I do get annoyed as hell when people blame all our financial woes on Anderson.

    She is the one who oversaw us build a BB arena that is unable to host other events (who the hell builds a new arena that can't host concerts/WWE/conventions these days) and sits unused for almost 310 days a year. She oversaw a ridiculous expansion of Byrd where we have tons of unused suites...she went ahead with the Tyser expansion when in reality, they should have torn Tyser down and went with a more symmetrical stadium. She insisted on having 27 freaking sports at a school that does not monetarily support it's Athletic Department and gets no financial support from the government to keep those sports going. She fueded with Gary basically the entire time he was here, shortchanged his staff and restricted his ability to hire coaches at competitive salaries while backing up the brinks truck for Brenda Frese and her assistants (no way the womens assistants should have been making more than Gary's). She took all the credit for our tremendous success from 2000-2004 even though she didn't hire Gary, and was forced to hire Fridge, and then threw them under the bus at every opportunity when both sports started to struggle some. She is the one that took the option to take all of the rights fees for Comcast and Capital One for our stadium and Arena early so that even though both have naming rights for another 10+ years, the fees were all spent under her watch and we are not and won't be receiving any money for those rights until the contracts are up. She cooked the hell out of the books, used every bit of resources she had to borrow future money knowing at some point we'd have to bite the bullet and pay Paul...and ran out of here as soon as that happened.

    I can't fucking stand "Dr." Yow or her wanna be coaching husband. Anderson is terrible, but at least he has the nuts to make some very hard decisions that he knows are not popular and will make him look bad in the public eye.
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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    She no doubt made the better BB coach hire, but I do get annoyed as hell when people blame all our financial woes on Anderson.

    She is the one who oversaw us build a BB arena that is unable to host other events (who the hell builds a new arena that can't host concerts/WWE/conventions these days) and sits unused for almost 310 days a year. She oversaw a ridiculous expansion of Byrd where we have tons of unused suites...she went ahead with the Tyser expansion when in reality, they should have torn Tyser down and went with a more symmetrical stadium. She insisted on having 27 freaking sports at a school that does not monetarily support it's Athletic Department and gets no financial support from the government to keep those sports going. She fueded with Gary basically the entire time he was here, shortchanged his staff and restricted his ability to hire coaches at competitive salaries while backing up the brinks truck for Brenda Frese and her assistants (no way the womens assistants should have been making more than Gary's). She took all the credit for our tremendous success from 2000-2004 even though she didn't hire Gary, and was forced to hire Fridge, and then threw them under the bus at every opportunity when both sports started to struggle some. She is the one that took the option to take all of the rights fees for Comcast and Capital One for our stadium and Arena early so that even though both have naming rights for another 10+ years, the fees were all spent under her watch and we are not and won't be receiving any money for those rights until the contracts are up. She cooked the hell out of the books, used every bit of resources she had to borrow future money knowing at some point we'd have to bite the bullet and pay Paul...and ran out of here as soon as that happened.

    I can't fucking stand "Dr." Yow or her wanna be coaching husband. Anderson is terrible, but at least he has the nuts to make some very hard decisions that he knows are not popular and will make him look bad in the public eye.
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    I heard that Miller was set to come to MD but MD would not allow as many academic exceptions as Miller wanted, which ended up being the deal breaker.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven View Post
    I heard that Miller was set to come to MD but MD would not allow as many academic exceptions as Miller wanted, which ended up being the deal breaker.
    That is certainly part of it...but the entire way the meeting was set up and the entirety of the impressions/Anderson's unwillingness to budge on not just that, but other issues as well was the downfall. FWIW, I understand and agree to a certain extent on Anderson's stance on some of the issues that were brought up...but I don't think he helped himself with his presentation.

    I remember that night Anderson flew to Vegas to meet with Miller...it was as sure a slam dunk as I think we'd all imagine without a signature...even Arizona was preparing for a replacement search.

    Just such a kick in the gut...especially after the Leach fiasco.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program

    I know I am in the super minority here but I am glad Leach was bypassed.

    Can't get into the specifics, but my wife worked for a law firm at the time Craig James was suing Leach. Her firm represented Leach. I am glad he's far away from my alma mater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I know I am in the super minority here but I am glad Leach was bypassed.

    Can't get into the specifics, but my wife worked for a law firm at the time Craig James was suing Leach. Her firm represented Leach. I am glad he's far away from my alma mater.
    There were a lot of other people (especially the board) that feel the same way and it's why he's not here.

    It's a matter of...do you want to put up with him? He's one of the most "different", egocentric and bizarre people you'd ever meet...but he wins games and his kids graduate.

    We passed....right or wrong.

    I would take him, but again, I wouldn't have to deal with him personally so that removes a lot of hesitation from my point of view. He would be a pain in the AD's ass though...no doubt.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: State of the Terps Hoops Program

    I agree with the others (not much to agree with, it's pretty much fact) that Debbie Yow screwed the program and the university. She's the reason Maryland NEEDS to move to the Big Ten. If not for her I think Gary Williams might still be coaching, he at least would have stayed a little longer than he did.

    However, I don't think all the Basketball current problems are to be blamed all on Turgeon. Maryland hasn't been able to recruit well for years. For years and years they've seem to go after second tier guys or at least the guys who have no shot of being one and done. While I like a team built on seniors and 2 or 3 years starters, you're not winning with out a few top tire players.

    If they've gone after the top tier guys, they've not been able to bring them here (obviously). My main complainant is not being able to keep home town talent. Carmelo Anthony, Michael Beasley, Ty Lawson, Kevin Durant every guy that goes to Georgetown or the entire team that led George Washington to the final four in 06 ( I think) all MD guys that Maryland didn't go after or keep.

    Is Turgeon a problem, yes. Is it his coaching, a little. But I think it's more of recruiting, He has a Point guard who is more of a Shooting guard and the rest of the team are a bunch of 2 guards. His best player is a transfer from a former A-10 conference team. I like the looks of the incoming class, so I say give him another year -ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terp387 View Post
    I'm crying foul here. First of all, while relative dissapointments, Shaq Cleare couldn't hold either NCM or Mike Jones' (who?) jock strap. And at no point during Gary's tenure did I think his coaching was as poor as Turgs' save for MAYBE the tail end of Jordan William's sophomore year. Certainly not the year before. Gary was great at maximizing his talent, but he WAS a poor recruiter....if mostly by design. Turg has the opposite problem. Which I actually find more frustrating. I honestly believe the '07 squad was the most disappointing team Gary had, it was loaded. D.J. Strawberry, Mike Jones, James Gist, Ekene Ebekwe, Boom, Greivis Vasquez, Eric Hayes, and Landon Milborne. That's 3 NBA draft picks, including a First Rounder, and 4 more Euro-Ballers.....honestly that the last time Maryland REALLY had the horses... STILL think that team beats Florida if they handle Butler in the 4/5. That was upsetting... But other than that all of Gary's late squads OVER achieved based on their roster talent. Remember that year we had Dave Freaking Neal as our starting center? Yea will that team was awful and still better than the sorry lot Turgeon just marched out.

    -L.
    I think we're agreeing. My point is that Gary was a great coach and generally got mediocre players to overachieve but had some misses down the line where highly touted players underachieved. IIRC, Mike Jones was the number 2 SG in his graduating class behind LeBron (which made him the best shooting guard to go to college that year).

    Turgeon's had some good classes...next year's is his best. To me, he struggles with coaching up big men--idk who on the staff has that responsibility but I think there's A LOT of room for improvement there.




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