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  1. #106

    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay



    I think when comedy is involved it gets sketchy. a comedian on stage saying these types of things, has the proper setting and people are prepared for it. Sitcoms, similar, but id say a little less due to reaching unprepared masses. when youre talking about a non-comedian in a public forum... no. the setting and intent is no longer expected at all. Lesson should be regular people shouldnt try to be funny in the same way comedians try. youre either a pro and its expected or youre an insensitive asshole (which comedians are kind of expected to be on some level). those that follow comedy closer will probably see the humor in it (however minimal), but id think should understand that theres a time and place for such things, and that wasnt it.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    I think when comedy is involved it gets sketchy. a comedian on stage saying these types of things, has the proper setting and people are prepared for it. Sitcoms, similar, but id say a little less due to reaching unprepared masses. when youre talking about a non-comedian in a public forum... no. the setting and intent is no longer expected at all. Lesson should be regular people shouldnt try to be funny in the same way comedians try. youre either a pro and its expected or youre an insensitive asshole (which comedians are kind of expected to be on some level). those that follow comedy closer will probably see the humor in it (however minimal), but id think should understand that theres a time and place for such things, and that wasnt it.
    I don't know anyone who is really saying what he said was okay, or that it was the time and place to say. Something can be funny without being the right thing to say or right time to say.

    Put that line in a stand up routine with better jokes and a better joke teller and it gets a chuckle.
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  3. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I'm not the one moving the goal posts.

    No, I don't think he's a Nazi. He's an asshole and a bigot though.
    You are the one imagining goal posts being moved, and it stems from you missing the point.




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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    You are the one imagining goal posts being moved, and it stems from you missing the point.
    Says the guy who changed what a "kernel of truth" is twice.

    But yes, arriving to the point when it's constantly being moved and qualified is not my strong suit.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    You are the one imagining goal posts being moved, and it stems from you missing the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Says the guy who changed what a "kernel of truth" is twice.

    But yes, arriving to the point when it's constantly being moved and qualified is not my strong suit.

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  6. #111

    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Says the guy who changed what a "kernel of truth" is twice.

    But yes, arriving to the point when it's constantly being moved and qualified is not my strong suit.
    I haven't "changed" anything. And you certainly haven't shown any example of me "changing" anything.

    There are obviously varying levels of persecution, bigotry, offensiveness of jokes, and underlying truths that lead to stereotypes. I am surprised one would attempt to argue otherwise, quite frankly.

    And gays aren't in the same universe of victimization as Jews or blacks.

    And jokes about Asians being math geeks and gays being effeminate, which rely on harmless fact-based observation, are not in the same universe as "jokes" about Jews being greedy or blacks liking watermelon or chicken, which do not rely on fact-based observation, and more importantly were stereotypes manufactured (by racists) and used specifically to denigrate.

    I hope that clears up the confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I haven't "changed" anything. And you certainly haven't shown any example of me "changing" anything.

    There are obviously varying levels of persecution, bigotry, offensiveness of jokes, and underlying truths that lead to stereotypes. I am surprised one would attempt to argue otherwise, quite frankly.

    And gays aren't in the same universe of victimization as Jews or blacks.

    And jokes about Asians being math geeks and gays being effeminate, which rely on harmless fact-based observation, are not in the same universe as "jokes" about Jews being greedy or blacks liking watermelon or chicken, which do not rely on fact-based observation, and more importantly were stereotypes manufactured (by racists) and used specifically to denigrate.

    I hope that clears up the confusion.
    You still didnt tell us how many kernels of truth those stereotypes contain.




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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So watermelon jokes about Blacks are fine. Big nose jokes about Jews are ok too. After all, there may be a "kernel" of truth to it.

    Got it.
    I know black folk who like watermelon.




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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

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    I know black folk who like watermelon.
    Ok. And?
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Ok. And?
    And I have a Jewish friend who has a larger than average nose.


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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    And I have a Jewish friend who has a larger than average nose.
    And?
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And?
    That is all.


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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    That is all.


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  14. #119

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    You still didnt tell us how many kernels of truth those stereotypes contain.
    No one asked, and I am not sure why they would. "How many?" Huh?

    And of course I did mention the relative truthfulness of those other stereotypes, and more importantly how they were (and by whom) they were derived, e.g. blacks liking watermelons.

    It is as if people mistakenly believe that I said if a stereotype is true it means it cannot be offensive.




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