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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay



    Shows he has horrible taste and tact.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Shows he has horrible taste and tact.
    Whilst this is true, he is explaining the intent behind his tweets. Which I think most would agree , ESPN please stop with Michael Sam.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Elkington has a history of making stupid tweets. This one is actually the least offensive in my opinion. Still, he shouldn't have tweeted that or be surprised when it pissed some people off.

    Now what Elkington had to say about Sams being given way too much media coverage is spot on. Sams is, barely, a mid-round type player who showed a remarkable lack of athletic ability at the combine. If he wasn't gay, none of us would know his name. I want my football focused on football. During combine coverage I want to see and hear football related news. What someone does in the bedroom is not football related news.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Hyperbole much? I haven't even seen it on the news, let alone with the "breaking" splash all over it.

    While I agree with your general feelings about an overly sensitive media, when an established golfer makes joke in poor taste right when the topic of Sam is hot in the media, it's going to make the news. As it should.
    No, it shouldn't. Then again the "topic of Sam" shouldn't be "hot" either, except for the PC, lemming MSM trying to push an agenda.

    And the joke was innocuous, not even original, and the idea that I am supposed to be upset about it is absurd. Anyone who is acting upset about it, is either feigning injury or has issues, imo (the former is by far the most likely explanation).

    "Gays as effeminate" jokes are old news. And they exist because there is a kernel of truth to them (even if obviously not with Sam). One look at NBC parading around Johnny Weir is all it takes to understand the derivation of such jokes. Every sitcom contains similar jokes. As do stand-up routines.

    The bottom line is, the story, the associated "reactions," and the "reactions to the reactions" has moved fully into parody territory.




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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    No, it shouldn't. Then again the "topic of Sam" shouldn't be "hot" either, except for the PC, lemming MSM trying to push an agenda.

    And the joke was innocuous, not even original, and the idea that I am supposed to be upset about it is absurd. Anyone who is acting upset about it, is either feigning injury or has issues, imo (the former is by far the most likely explanation).

    "Gays as effeminate" jokes are old news. And they exist because there is a kernel of truth to them (even if obviously not with Sam). One look at NBC parading around Johnny Weir is all it takes to understand the derivation of such jokes. Every sitcom contains similar jokes. As do stand-up routines.

    The bottom line is, the story, the associated "reactions," and the "reactions to the reactions" has moved fully into parody territory.
    So watermelon jokes about Blacks are fine. Big nose jokes about Jews are ok too. After all, there may be a "kernel" of truth to it.

    Got it.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Now what Elkington had to say about Sams being given way too much media coverage is spot on. Sams is, barely, a mid-round type player who showed a remarkable lack of athletic ability at the combine. If he wasn't gay, none of us would know his name. I want my football focused on football. During combine coverage I want to see and hear football related news. What someone does in the bedroom is not football related news.
    Now this, I agree with. He should be given the same amount of attention as Terrence West, another mid-round slated pick.

    My issue was taking it to a level where he was using it to call Michael Sam a woman.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So watermelon jokes about Blacks are fine. Big nose jokes about Jews are ok too. After all, there may be a "kernel" of truth to it.

    Got it.
    Just curious. Does the video I posted of Two and Half Men bother you at all?

    I ask because, on TV shows or movies those types of very similar jokes (or ones that go even further) don't tend to bother people when their on TV. I don't get it...
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Just curious. Does the video I posted of Two and Half Men bother you at all?

    I ask because, on TV shows or movies those types of very similar jokes (or ones that go even further) don't tend to bother people when their on TV. I don't get it...
    Again, it's the context. No, that did not bother me. People expect comedians / comedy shows to create satire.

    People don't expect (or condone) tasteless jokes from an obvious blow hard golfer.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Again, it's the context. No, that did not bother me. People expect comedians / comedy shows to create satire.

    People don't expect (or condone) tasteless jokes from an obvious blow hard golfer.
    I guess, they are however playing of the same stereotypes.

    None of them offend me (that is a pretty hard ting to do though). I find them funny, but I don't see much difference to those that do find them offensive. If that makes sense.
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So watermelon jokes about Blacks are fine. Big nose jokes about Jews are ok too. After all, there may be a "kernel" of truth to it.

    Got it.
    Not even close to appropriate analogies. But of course you know that.

    Physical characteristics? Not applicable.

    Symbolic (and manufactured) racist stereotypes? Not applicable.

    History of persecution of Jews and blacks. Not applicable.

    If Elkington joked Sam would be in charge of interior design for the locker room, you are just as upset? Or if he was in charge of team hairstyling?

    This joke is on par with jokes about old people who can't drive. Kernel of truth. Innocuous joke. And a whole bunch of strained and feigned indignation by the usual agenda-driven suspects.




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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Not even close to appropriate analogies. But of course you know that.

    Physical characteristics? Not applicable.

    Symbolic (and manufactured) racist stereotypes? Not applicable.

    History of persecution of Jews and blacks. Not applicable.

    If Elkington joked Sam would be in charge of interior design for the locker room, you are just as upset? Or if he was in charge of team hairstyling?

    This joke is on par with jokes about old people who can't drive. Kernel of truth. Innocuous joke. And a whole bunch of strained and feigned indignation by the usual agenda-driven suspects.
    So there's varying degrees of "kernels of truth". Got it.

    Any more qualifiers you wish to add on?
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    Re: BREAKING: Michael Sam is gay

    To me, it would be akin to taking a Jewish prospect and saying he did really well at the "Counting Money" event in the Combine.

    Maybe you think that's a harmless joke. I still think it touches at some deeper seeded prejudice.

    In the end, I guess Michael needs to be ready for it. Because on the field, with trash talk, this stuff is going to come out. And he needs to prepare himself mentally to not let it affect him.
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