Why is Aaron Rodgers considered the best?

[NC Raven]

kinda funny that all of his "off games" come against great defensive competition. how many times has this guy lit up great defenses? hes a stat stuffer - he does all his damage against bad teams.

Well, that's how things tend to work. Bad teams are bad because good players beat the snot out of them. Great teams are great because they neutralize their opponents.

If somebody "lights up" a "great defense" then people say "well, it wasn't a great defense, because they got lit up by so-and-so, and great defenses don't get lit up by anybody."

The inherent problem with using loose terms like "elite," "great" "clutch" or "the best." These terms are all meaningless, and can be easily altered to fit whatever it is that someone wants them to mean. The result is you can screw these words around to where QB 1 is elite, but QB 2 isn't (due to swapping the importance of some criterion or other with another one).

[PGCountyRaven85]

kinda funny that all of his "off games" come against great defensive competition. how many times has this guy lit up great defenses? hes a stat stuffer - he does all his damage against bad teams.

Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl was a top defense, he lit the Bears up when they still had top defenses, the Jets when they were 'good' (though the drives stalled in the redzone), the Texans last season on SNF, etc.

[ravens47]

I think he's a top 3 QB in this league, but I also think he's starting to become Peyton 2.0.

In 5 years I think the top 3 QBs in the NFL will be: Flacco, Luck, and Rodgers.

hate to say it but flacco is not elite. he is above average, a franchise qb, but nothing more

[rayvensfan52]

Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl was a top defense, he let's the Bears up when they still had top defenses, the Jets when they were 'good' (though the drives stalled in the redzone), the Texans last on Sat, etc.

he scored like 6 or 9 points against the jets. i watched that game. . .

[PGCountyRaven85]

he scored like 6 or 9 points against the jets. i watched that game. . .

He didn't turn the ball over and still threw for like 250 or so. And that was with Brandon Jackson and John Kuhn at tailback that day.

[bt12483]

Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl was a top defense, he lit the Bears up when they still had top defenses, the Jets when they were 'good' (though the drives stalled in the redzone), the Texans last season on SNF, etc.

He had 0 TDs and 2 INTs against CHI in that one NFCC game their SB year.

[rayvensfan52]

Well, that's how things tend to work. Bad teams are bad because good players beat the snot out of them. Great teams are great because they neutralize their opponents.

If somebody "lights up" a "great defense" then people say "well, it wasn't a great defense, because they got lit up by so-and-so, and great defenses don't get lit up by anybody."

The inherent problem with using loose terms like "elite," "great" "clutch" or "the best." These terms are all meaningless, and can be easily altered to fit whatever it is that someone wants them to mean. The result is you can screw these words around to where QB 1 is elite, but QB 2 isn't (due to swapping the importance of some criterion or other with another one).

id like to see his all time stats against top 10 defenses. it wouldnt be pretty.

the difference between him & flacco is this: they give him green light to rip apart shit teams & thus boost his stats. while the ravens play conservatively against bad teams to secure victory.

[NC Raven]

I will say the scheme they run in GB is a part of his success. Even Matt Flynn is capable of putting up decent numbers in that scheme.

Rodgers definitely takes the scheme to another stratosphere, but I think the scheme is killer.

True for Manning, Brady and Brees as well. Great players all, who are great fits in advanced / forward-thinking schemes. They're all great examples of right player, right scheme.

Kurt Warner was another example. Mike Martz had a great system with loads of talent, but Warner was hardly some ordinary guy benefiting from a crazy setup. He proved that by going to other teams and having lots of success.

Fun stat: Kurt Warner's career playoff record was 9-4 with one SB win. This is identical to Joe Flacco's playoff record.

[Spider Webb]

hate to say it but flacco is not elite. he is above average, a franchise qb, but nothing more

Pssshhhhh 11 TDs and 0 INTs. Elite QBs put teams on their backs and win Super Bowls. Flacco has done it before and he'll do it again.

Look at the scheme they run in GB..like another poster said that scheme is killer. Rodgers has Jordy, Cobb and James Jones. Those 3 are better than any receiver we have. Brees has so many weapons not to mention Jimmy who's an absolute stud. Peyton has DT, Decker, Welker, and Julius Thomas...again better than any option Flacco has. Brady has the genius as a coach.

Flacco is successful in spite of what's around him not because of it. I mean just look at last seasons playoffs. They finally give Flacco some time in the pocket, a decent running game, and his WRs show up and we win a Super Bowl.

[Raveninwoodlawn]

He has never put up fewer than 20 points in the playoffs...and in the playoff games he's lost, he's put up 45, 20, and 31 points in the playoffs.

How are those losses his fault?


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[NC Raven]

id like to see his all time stats against top 10 defenses. it wouldnt be pretty.

the difference between him & flacco is this: they give him green light to rip apart shit teams & thus boost his stats. while the ravens play conservatively against bad teams to secure victory.

Well here you go. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...gAa00/splits//

[Haloti92]

His defense is not "clutch." ;)

Anyone hear Aikman say that today's NFL is often a matter of who gets the ball last? My sentiments exactly.