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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way



    This I can agree with. It will take much effort by many people to be competitive again.

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    The Steelers used to be one of the best teams in the league at drafting players who became significant contributors. That allowed them to replace player who they couldn't afford to keep. That hasn't the case for a while now. Since 2008 they've either missed on picks or had a tough time keeping the good ones as soon as they hit free agency. It's tough to stay competitive when faced with both those problems. By the time the Steelers are building up again Ben will no longer be on the team and it could be back the to mediocre QBs they had for many years before he got there.




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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    The Skins might have a good cap now, but they'll find a way to screw it up. They always have.




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    The Skins seem to look good on paper every single year. And with RGIII, one would think there was much potential. I am starting to think RGIII might be part of the problem . If his name were Earl Phillips or something mundane like that then he would be just another QB for the Redskins.

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    The Skins might have a good cap now, but they'll find a way to screw it up. They always have.




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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    The Skins seem to look good on paper every single year. And with RGIII, one would think there was much potential. I am starting to think RGIII might be part of the problem . If his name were Earl Phillips or something mundane like that then he would be just another QB for the Redskins.
    This whole thing does give you the impression that he's a bit spoiled and needs to be treated differently than the other guys. Now that the defenses stack the box and force him to be a pocket passer, he's struggled. Will be interesting to see what the do in terms of coach, OC, etc. next year. With all the needs that they have you'd think one of those QBs would be trade bait.
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    It's his fault but it's sorta not his fault. He couldn't help that the nation turned him into a god in his rookie year, but he definitely could've spent the offseason training his pocket passer skills instead of filming documentaries, starring in Subway and Gatorade commercials, clashing with Shanny, participating in Memorial Day parades, and making his wedding a national event.




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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    And the Steelers have started dealing with their cap for this year...in the same way they do EVERY year...

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lers-contract/

    Now, the interesting thing here is that Miller was entering the final year of his deal. So with no future years to push money in, how can you lower that number, unless he took a pay cut?
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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Now, the interesting thing here is that Miller was entering the final year of his deal. So with no future years to push money in, how can you lower that number, unless he took a pay cut?
    Contract extension. Same thing we just did w/ Suggs.




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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    I know they'll find a way, but I just can't wait to see how the Steelers will figure out a way out of cap jail...

    http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Te...lers&Year=2014

    15 mil over the cap with the Heath extension and Worlids transition tag.
    Just announced they will NOT cut Polamalu, who was clearly their biggest cap saver.
    They can cut Ike Taylor and Levi Brown to get them MOST of the way there, still would be 1.75 over the cap

    Also consider, that's without signing a single free agent, tendering a single RFA or ERFA, or their rookie signings.

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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    I think they have until Tuesday at 4PM to get under the cap. Maybe they plan on trying to work a long term deal with Worlids before then to bring down his 2014 cap number. I'm sure they've got a lot of options between possible restructures, extensions, and cuts. Whatever happens, they're definitely going to be busy over the next week.

    Personally I'd love to see them do it with a combination of extensions and restructures. As much flack as we gave them for doing it in the past, the results speak for themselves. They had a team that they felt was good enough to win Super Bowls and decided they would pay the price down the road to keep a talented team together to keep winning. But at this point their roster is turning a corner and I doubt they can win another one by keeping their current group of players together. So as a Ravens fan I'd love to see them extending old players like Heath Miller and Troy Polamalu and restructuring long contracts like Antonio Brown and Lawrence Timmons. Maybe they'll even do an extension for Big Ben.

    I'm not sure how likely any of those are (other than the Miller extension), but I'd love to see it happen.
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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I think they have until Tuesday at 4PM to get under the cap. Maybe they plan on trying to work a long term deal with Worlids before then to bring down his 2014 cap number. I'm sure they've got a lot of options between possible restructures, extensions, and cuts. Whatever happens, they're definitely going to be busy over the next week.

    Personally I'd love to see them do it with a combination of extensions and restructures. As much flack as we gave them for doing it in the past, the results speak for themselves. They had a team that they felt was good enough to win Super Bowls and decided they would pay the price down the road to keep a talented team together to keep winning. But at this point their roster is turning a corner and I doubt they can win another one by keeping their current group of players together. So as a Ravens fan I'd love to see them extending old players like Heath Miller and Troy Polamalu and restructuring long contracts like Antonio Brown and Lawrence Timmons. Maybe they'll even do an extension for Big Ben.

    I'm not sure how likely any of those are (other than the Miller extension), but I'd love to see it happen.
    Polamalu extension would help a lot, but they have until Monday afternoon to be in cap compliance. Unless they've made headway recently, that's a lot to expect by Monday.

    I have no doubt they will find a way by Monday. Question is how much they will handcuff themselves on future. Worlids tag was a little odd. That might spell the end for Woodley, but that's a TON of dead money. They'd have to do it as a June 1st cut, because right now he's got more DEAD money than savings. Guy underproduced every year until when he needed to. That'd be like us giving Kruger the tag last year. Just don't think it was a good decision.
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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Polamalu extension would help a lot, but they have until Monday afternoon to be in cap compliance. Unless they've made headway recently, that's a lot to expect by Monday.
    Thought it was Tuesday, but yea, they're gonna be busy.

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenScallywag View Post
    Question is how much they will handcuff themselves on future. Worlids tag was a little odd. That might spell the end for Woodley, but that's a TON of dead money. They'd have to do it as a June 1st cut, because right now he's got more DEAD money than savings. Guy underproduced every year until when he needed to. That'd be like us giving Kruger the tag last year. Just don't think it was a good decision.
    Yea the Worlids tag seemed like an odd move for a team up against the cap, unless they're convinced that they can use it to get a deal done by Tuesday. But if they're relying on that they're giving the player a lot of leverage. More likely, I think they'll make some cuts, extensions, and restructures elsewhere and try an work on a long term deal for Worlids throughout the offseason.

    We know they're extending Miller. They said they're not cutting Polamalu which screams extension to me. Seems like they have to cut someone at some point, but like you said, no relief until June 1 w/ Woodley. At least they could use any savings there to sign draft picks and have room to stay under the cap after the rest of their roster starts counting against the cap with the start of the season.




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    Not worried. This topic is a repeat of last year, and the year before. They will work it out, they don't have a choice. Look for Ike to take a pay cut or to test FA. Kiesel could be gone too. Troy will restructure/extend. That is for starters. They are trimming down the big vet contracts. Look for Thomas, Bell, Jones, Wheaton, and maybe even Moye to get more time, substantially more time.




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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    Not worried. This topic is a repeat of last year, and the year before. They will work it out, they don't have a choice. Look for Ike to take a pay cut or to test FA. Kiesel could be gone too. Troy will restructure/extend. That is for starters. They are trimming down the big vet contracts. Look for Thomas, Bell, Jones, Wheaton, and maybe even Moye to get more time, substantially more time.
    I think the difference is that in years past they had a team that was convincingly good enough to be a contender. I'm not sure that's the case anymore. If the young players coming in and play really well then maybe they can return to that point, but the deadweight on the cap is still going to keep them from being as good as they could be. If those players don't play well the team could really slip.




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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Polamalu extension is done. Well, nevermind there, that should free up a lot.

    Still kicking cans down the road.
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    Re: Worst salary caps? Cowboys, Saints, Steelers lead way

    Hard to tell. Bell I think has proven himself. The rest not so. The Steelers love to sit rookies way too much. The offense will be fine, it is the defense I am worried about. I forgot to add Clark to that list - he will more than likely be gone as well. I think as they shed the vets like Kiesel and Clark, they will free money up. They will have a different look this upcoming season for sure.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Cactus View Post
    I think the difference is that in years past they had a team that was convincingly good enough to be a contender. I'm not sure that's the case anymore. If the young players coming in and play really well then maybe they can return to that point, but the deadweight on the cap is still going to keep them from being as good as they could be. If those players don't play well the team could really slip.




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