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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?



    That hip injury issue hurt Pitta's stock. I agree with Wicked that he shouldn't be all that expensive. Eugene Mornoe will be the first point of focus.

    I doubt they keep Suggs at his cap number. My guy feeling is that they'll either push for him to sign team friendly extension, maybe for two more years, that lowers his cap figure for 2014, or they will indeed release him.

    Daryl Smith is the one I think people will be surprised to see gone, especially after they see that he isn't offered that much on the open market. Again, he and Arthur Brown play the same role. As long as Smith is here, Brown will not be a starter.
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    We are in a tough spot.

    Just a fan's view; no expert:

    1) Eugene Monroe
    2) Daryl Smith
    3) Pitta

    Cut, restructure, extend, SOMETHING with Suggs and Ngata. Neither is earning what they are being paid.

    Losing Art Jones could REALLY hurt, because Ngata is declining and Canty is just OK. And if we lose Daryl Smith, we have little or no top quality at LB. Will Upshaw be another Cody?

    In the draft:
    #1: WR or TE (depending on who is available)
    #2: OL
    #3 OL
    #4: best D player available (we need starter/depth help at every D position)
    #5: best D player available (we need starter/depth help at every D position)

    Unless some of this year's draftees turn out to be starters next year, we could have more holes than Oz can fill in one year.
    I actually think Canty will end up being cut.

    Good player, but not what they had hoped. Plus, Brandon Williams has played well when given the opportunity and Deangelo Tyson has done well this season.

    i don't see why Pernell McPhee couldn't do what Canty has done this year.
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    1. Pitta- They have no one else on the team who can beat tight man to man coverage, and it's absolutely killed them on the goal line. Unless they're going to overhaul the entire receiving corp, they can't afford to lose Pitta.

    2. Monroe- They need to get him re-signed after what they traded for him, but I worry that a LT premium is going to leave him very overpaid. It's not like he's lit the world on fire or anything.

    3. Jacoby- I don't think he's back, though, and that's not a big deal.

    4. Smith- I think he'll be back on another cheap deal, but if not I don't think he'll be that hard for them to replace just by plugging Arthur Brown in.




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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by houstonravensfan View Post
    In the draft:
    #1: WR or TE (depending on who is available)
    #2: OL
    #3 OL
    #4: best D player available (we need starter/depth help at every D position)
    #5: best D player available (we need starter/depth help at every D position)
    (1) I hate to pigeon hole our draft choices, as you have in picks #1 through #3.
    (2) The Ravens do not have 4th or 5th round picks due to the Eugene Monroe trade.
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    They are going to have to free up a ton of money to keep Monroe. I don't see it happening without franchising him.
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I actually think Canty will end up being cut.

    Good player, but not what they had hoped. Plus, Brandon Williams has played well when given the opportunity and Deangelo Tyson has done well this season.

    i don't see why Pernell McPhee couldn't do what Canty has done this year.
    I have really liked Canty. There aren't a lot of stats to go on, and I don't focus on him every play, but he's definitely been a force on the line.

    I think he's worth keeping. But it looks like we could save about $1MM in cutting him (factoring the cost of his replacement) and d-line is probably the deepest position on the team. If we really are hard against the cap, I could see this as an area to get a little room.
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    I think Brandon Williams has been caught in a numbers crunch. I don't think it's an indictment of him. DeAngelo Tyson has just been playing well.
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    That hip injury issue hurt Pitta's stock. I agree with Wicked that he shouldn't be all that expensive. Eugene Mornoe will be the first point of focus.

    I doubt they keep Suggs at his cap number. My guy feeling is that they'll either push for him to sign team friendly extension, maybe for two more years, that lowers his cap figure for 2014, or they will indeed release him.

    Daryl Smith is the one I think people will be surprised to see gone, especially after they see that he isn't offered that much on the open market. Again, he and Arthur Brown play the same role. As long as Smith is here, Brown will not be a starter.
    I'm not sure how much money Jameel is making but wouldn't it make more sense to cut him?




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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    (1) I hate to pigeon hole our draft choices, as you have in picks #1 through #3.
    (2) The Ravens do not have 4th or 5th round picks due to the Eugene Monroe trade.
    ... Bc
    That's true but I believe we'll be getting a nice amount of compensatory picks




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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    With a cap hit of 14 mill or we it is Ngata isn't going anywhere. Neither is Sizzle. I could see restructuring but that's it. As for the 4 you listed all will be back except for JJ. They'll go for a returner in the draft that might be able to contribute more in offense.




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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    With a cap hit of 14 mill or we it is Ngata isn't going anywhere. Neither is Sizzle. I could see restructuring but that's it. As for the 4 you listed all will be back except for JJ. They'll go for a returner in the draft that might be able to contribute more in offense.
    I'm always happy to be corrected by the board capologists, but here's how I see it:

    The farthest we would want to extend Suggs is three years. Any more than that and you risk putting yourself in serious cap jail.

    His cap number for next year includes $7.8MM in salary plus $4.6MM in prorated bonus for a total of $12.4MM. If you convert that $7.8MM to bonus to be assessed against the cap in 2015-1017, you get the $7.8MM cap relief in 2014 -- and we definitely need it.

    But what does Suggs salary look like for those three years? Franchise tag number for his position is around $10MM. So maybe his salary in 2015 is about $5MM, then $7MM in 2016, and $9MM in 2017? His true cap number then would be $4.6MM next year, $7.6MM in 2015, $9.6MM in 2016, and you probably cut him and take the $2.6MM in dead money for 2017.

    Alternatively, you just cut him next year, take the $4.6MM cap hit, and be done with it. So is it worth restructuring Sizzle at numbers like this? Or am I overestimating what we'd have to pay him on a three year deal?
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    I think Brandon Williams has been caught in a numbers crunch. I don't think it's an indictment of him. DeAngelo Tyson has just been playing well.
    Arthur Jones is as good as gone, so is T. Cody, and Chris Canty may be too (if he's unwilling to take the veteran minimum). IMO the Ravens will be counting on young DLinemen like Tyson, B. Wms, and McPhee (assuming he's not thought of at OLB), to step up in 2014... Bc




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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Perhaps we need to be asking what coaches will be retained. If they go into next season with the same cast, forget it. Our neanderthal offense, in particular, has to change.




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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by veritas View Post
    Perhaps we need to be asking what coaches will be retained. If they go into next season with the same cast, forget it. Our neanderthal offense, in particular, has to change.
    Check out this other thread :
    "The Baltimore Ravens should heavily pursue a new OC and DC for 2014."
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    Re: Who out of the big 4 free agents will be retained?

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    I believe they can use the "post-June 1st" designation on 2 players per year at any time after the start of FA. In other words, they could cut Ngata in March and designate it as post-June 1st, and it would have the same effect as if it were done in June.

    I have no idea if that will really happen, but neither Suggs nor Ngata are playing at their contract numbers. Ngata did have a great game last week, but he was miserable last night. I have no idea where his future play lies between those two extremes.
    I believe, based on my memory of the Pollard release situation from last year, that when you make a "post-June 1st designation" on a player, you have to carry his contract and cap space to June 2nd.

    Ravor can correct me if I am wrong, but I think I remember him telling us that last year regarding Pollard (and why he stayed on the books despite being released with the designation).




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