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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!



    In a way, I'm glad we were blown out because there's nothing worse than thinking the refs decided the game, IMO.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    I scratched my head on Torrey's catch where the ref threw the flag after the play was pretty much over. It almost looked like he waited to see if Torrey caught the ball, before he pulled the flag so they could look like they were favoring a Baltimore call that was going to be denied anyway. It just looked like he took so long to even reach for the flag. I will have to look at that one on the DVR and make sure I saw what I did on the big board.
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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Winter's crew is legendary for their ineptness.


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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    The overturn on the Oher holding call is terrible. If the pats are in the neutral zone, then there should be continuation of the play and Flacco and the offense should get a free play. As bad as the refs were, the Ravens offense was worse, so it doesn't really matter, but that crew is an embarrassment. Even on the Jacoby Jones foot touching the end line call, isn't that what the back judges whole responsibility on that play? How do you miss that?




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Some very tricky tack calls by Winter's crew, but we would've lost with any crew out there.
    This.

    To even hint at bad officiating is whistling past the graveyard.

    This team is flat out bad.
    WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    A billion dollar league with so much at stake for all fans every week needs full time refs. It seems everything about the game has changed except for the refs. It was painful to watch old man Winter run across the field today to the replay booth.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    The overturn on the Oher holding call is terrible. If the pats are in the neutral zone, then there should be continuation of the play and Flacco and the offense should get a free play. As bad as the refs were, the Ravens offense was worse, so it doesn't really matter, but that crew is an embarrassment. Even on the Jacoby Jones foot touching the end line call, isn't that what the back judges whole responsibility on that play? How do you miss that?
    ^ Jones's foot it was comical because it really didn't matter as the game was over at that point(especially with what happened on the next play) but how do you miss that? and why does it takes 5 mins to figure out? Hell they even circled it on the video board. I thought Oher might get flagged for having malice in his heart, the way he was talking to the two Refs LOL on the false start




  8. #23

    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This.

    To even hint at bad officiating is whistling past the graveyard.

    This team is flat out bad.
    Then it's a good thing that this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the refs being the cause of the Ravens being horrible. It is simply about how inept the officiating was, for both sides I might add. This crew needs to go, this isn't their first disaster.




  9. #24

    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This.

    To even hint at bad officiating is whistling past the graveyard.
    I don't see anybody hinting that at all. Just making, imho very accurate,observations about the the reversed calls. I was at the game and it certainly looked to me that they reversed themselves after looking at the video screens...I've never really seen anything like it...and it happened twice. Missing Jacoby out of bound and Pitta in bounds were also obvious missed calls. One of the worst referring jobs I've seen...to go along with one of the worst team performances.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This.

    To even hint at bad officiating is whistling past the graveyard.

    This team is flat out bad.
    Pretty much everyone has said it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but the refereeing was abysmal.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Derf View Post
    Perhaps I missed the explanation from the refs when they initially called Defensive holding on the play Brady was sacked.....Anybody hear who they were going to say was holding?
    The explanation was that it wasn't holding because Brady was sacked. So the only thing that could make any sense there is that the hold occurred after he was hit, or on the ground. But naturally, they don't SAY that, so we're left to guess/interpret what the heck happened there.

    Can't recall the last time I've seen two penalties marked off, then changed. Both of those benefited the Ravens, but that crap was replacement-ref-worthy. Really hope we don't see that crew again -- the constant, lengthy meetings and continual sense of confusion detracts from the entertainment value (such as it was....) of the game. Can you imagine them doing that in a big game, late in the 4th quarter on national TV? God forbid one of these was in overtime or something yesterday -- and even moreso had it gone against the Ravens in that situation. I cannot imagine what this board (and the Baltimore sports media) would be like today.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvo View Post
    he's old and borderline senile. he should retire.
    They pay these fools over 150,000 to officiate 20 or so games a year. They constantly made bad calls. This group is the worst. A phantom holding call by the Ravens that eventually is corrected, a phantom offside by Oher that is corrected to a defensive offside. A call where Harbaugh has to challenge Pittas reception even though the freaking ref is in the perfect position to make the call. Even with all that the Ravens just played terrible on offense. When Tucker misses a relatively easy field goal I knew it was not our day!!!!




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    This.

    To even hint at bad officiating is whistling past the graveyard.

    This team is flat out bad.
    Huh? This thread had nothing to do with the way the Ravens played nor did it insinuate that a better crew would have saved our pathetic effort.

    My post was strictly about Winter's crew overturning their own calls. Something you rarely see once in a game let alone twice.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Quote Originally Posted by JonAB View Post
    Then it's a good thing that this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the refs being the cause of the Ravens being horrible. It is simply about how inept the officiating was, for both sides I might add. This crew needs to go, this isn't their first disaster.
    This ^

    Some mods have to post on every thread and act like they are mind readers.




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    Re: Ron Winter overrules himself.. twice?!

    Just gonna call a spade a spade (and probably get killed for telling the truth) but Winter's crew hates the Ravens. I knew we were in for trouble when I heard mid-week that he was doing the game. Every call/reverse call was a test case to find out what they believed they could get away with to screw the Ravens. The defensive holding call? Thrown immediately once it was obvious Brady was gonna be sacked on a huge third down. Winters didn't even give a number for the call ("Holding, defense, 10 yard penalty, automatic first down."). After realizing the rig was a little too obvious, he picked up the flag.

    Mike Pereira's tweets on the play:

    "I'm trying to figure out the 'defensive hold' on the Ravens sack as well...I have no idea what that means."-Pereira

    30 seconds later...

    "I've looked and looked and looked- I have no idea what they called in NE (sic- meant to say BAL) or why they picked it up. I'm 0-2. Makes no sense."- Pereira

    Then you had the Oher "false start" on a play where the defender jumps two yards offsides...Later overturned when they realized how ridiculous it would look.

    Then you had the blatant PI against Torrey Smith...thrown about five seconds after the penalty was committed and ONLY once Smith had secured the catch and the ref realized he could throw the penalty while not helping the Ravens and attempt to save face about not playing favorites.

    Then you have the ticky tack PI calls against the Ravens, notably the Jimmy Smith penalty (Harbaugh: I can't comment on the officiating without getting fined; Hensley: Is there anything you can tell Jimmy to do differently on that play? Harbaugh: No) and Lardarius Webb penalty (illegal contact), meanwhile every single replay showed the Ravens getting mugged (notably Pitta).

    Let's also not forget that this is FAR from the first time Winters has done this to the Ravens. He's the same guy who Brady pointed to after MAYBE getting barely touched in the leg, Winters NODS and then throws a flag in a close game we ultimately lost (after which the Ravens unloaded on the refs). Oh, and he was also the ref that allowed Roddy White to shove Josh Wilson to the ground, in broad daylight, on the game winning TD for the Falcons (did I mention that Winters's crew calls more PI calls than any in the league?). Ross Tucker tweeted after the game that yesterday was "The worst officiated game I've ever seen." I wouldn't even put it in Winters's top two worst Ravens games (obligatory disclaimer: It's not why we lost).




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