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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I don't think wanting a power running game is an indication that the Ravens are stuck in the past. It is true that defense no longer wins championships. You can win a Super Bowl with an average defense, but you have to have an offense that can score 25-30 points/game on a consistent basis. The Ravens have to get back to being able to run the ball, which to me means addressing the OL talent and OL coaching in a big way in the off-season. Flacco is at his best when he can utilize play action, and throws around 30 passes per game. If the Ravens devise an offense that has Flacco throwing 40-50 passes per game, IMO Flacco and the Ravens offense will struggle. They will have multiple turnovers, and will not be efficient. They need to have a balanced attack. I would also like them to greatly expand their short passing game, using many more variations of screen passes and slants.
    Running the ball isn't in any way strongly correlated with either winning games or having a top offense in the NFL anymore. You need to be able to run the occasional draw or check into a run against a six man in the box set and pick up decent yardage, but beyond that it's almost totally irrelevant.

    Passing and defense wins championships.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    In the current system, yes, Joe throwing the ball that many times would be bad. However, in a system that creates easier throws for him, I think he could show that he is more well versed than we see. Peyton and Brady both throw the ball a lot. Yet they see continued success. Flacco has shown that he can hang with them. He just can't do it consistently, because he doesn't have the consistent support that they have.
    "When questioned, the Elders explained that they were in search of magical powers. However, they're actually searching for the whereabouts of a certain ring. This ring is a legendary treasure that long ago was known to exist"




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    This is window dressing, at best.



    Which is fine...but they're totally lacking in interior pass rushers, and it's clear that Ozzie doesn't prioritize those kinds of players at all. That kills them in medium yardage situations when they need to be able to dial up a stunt to get quick pressure in the QB's face.
    Window dressing or not, it's the system they are choosing to run which is fairly new to the NFL. They need to vastly improve how they run the system starting with the blocking up front, but it's not for lack of trying to modernize their offense.

    I don't see how the defense is stuck in the past. Last week everyone was praising how they handled Megatron. They need more discipline and they do need to generate more pressure on the QB.

    Again, I can agree they need to improve in several areas, but I can't agree the reasoning for their failures is they are stuck in the past.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    Window dressing or not, it's the system they are choosing to run which is fairly new to the NFL. They need to vastly improve how they run the system starting with the blocking up front, but it's not for lack of trying to modernize their offense.
    The pistol is a formation, not an offensive system.

    I don't see how the defense is stuck in the past. Last week everyone was praising how they handled Megatron. They need more discipline and they do need to generate more pressure on the QB.
    They build defensive lines designed to stop the run, not rush the passer.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt1 View Post
    I don't think wanting a power running game is an indication that the Ravens are stuck in the past. It is true that defense no longer wins championships. You can win a Super Bowl with an average defense, but you have to have an offense that can score 25-30 points/game on a consistent basis. The Ravens have to get back to being able to run the ball, which to me means addressing the OL talent and OL coaching in a big way in the off-season. Flacco is at his best when he can utilize play action, and throws around 30 passes per game. If the Ravens devise an offense that has Flacco throwing 40-50 passes per game, IMO Flacco and the Ravens offense will struggle. They will have multiple turnovers, and will not be efficient. They need to have a balanced attack. I would also like them to greatly expand their short passing game, using many more variations of screen passes and slants.
    This is definitely accurate. The biggest problem is that the talent level on offense dropped off more dramatically than we thought it would without Boldin, Birk, Osemele (out due to injury) and Pitta (out most of year due to injury).

    Couple that with 6 new starters on D who still haven't exactly gelled completely and you get an 8-8 or 9-7 season instead of a 10-6 season.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    The pistol is a formation, not an offensive system.



    They build defensive lines designed to stop the run, not rush the passer.
    But if the formations are fairly new and the same as I what he rest of the league is running how can you say the the system is stuck in the past?

    The Ravens were killed in the run last year. They needed help stopping the run. But they signed Dumerville and the first two draft picks were designed to address the pass happy league.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Our third rd pick has been deactivated for the past 5 weeks or so. Why?




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Our third rd pick has been deactivated for the past 5 weeks or so. Why?
    DeAngelo Tyson has been playing his ass off. Not the worst problem to have.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    But if the formations are fairly new and the same as I what he rest of the league is running how can you say the the system is stuck in the past?
    Well, if you want to get literal like that, how old is the pistol formation? 60 years?

    The Ravens were killed in the run last year. They needed help stopping the run. But they signed Dumerville and the first two draft picks were designed to address the pass happy league.
    "Help stopping the run" doesn't have to mean a roster where all of your defensive line are all big gap stuffers who don't have the athleticism to stunt or get after the passer. And having Dumervil and Suggs is nice, but as you see basically every week you're only getting limited utility out of having those edge rushers if there's NO pass rush coming up the middle and the quarterback can effortlessly step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    The FO dropped the ball when they signed nothing but defensive help only 2 of those signings made sense with doom and smith the rest was a failure. They took away boldin and that made the picture clear, the one good thing they did was get monroe, this FO has done nothing to build a team around Flacco they gave him stones and are askig him to make soup now he is hurt because they gambled on a center who sucks balls and ass and never brought in quality backup at the gaurds and center positions now flacco is hurt how this kid is making plays is beyond me. He is literally carrying this team on his back literally, we have a bunch of fucktards coaching and harbaugh isn't excused his inefficiency is showing since our HOF players have left they don't do a thing to help joe out no imagination, no creativity the run game is abismal and they havent done shit to fix it. It started with the FO and end with the coaches they keep investing bums on this offense at some key positions they keep gambling on linemen that they take 200yrs develop only to find out they are class A bums. NE got half their Oline missing and brady gets sacked once by this 'vaunted' pass rush pees is a fuckin joke himself Pagano and rex would have this D number 1 in every category. Camwell, castillo, moeller, pess and gino all need to go, its been 10yrs of offensive struggle this is just fucking ridiculous at this point especially in a league that favors offense!!!
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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by s.r.genovese View Post
    DeAngelo Tyson has been playing his ass off. Not the worst problem to have.
    so if we have so much depth why not spend that 3rd pick on offense?




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    so if we have so much depth why not spend that 3rd pick on offense?
    Ask Ozzie. But Tyson didn't do much to think he'd break out last year.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    How is it you watch teams like the eagles who have nick fuckin foles have wrs wide the fuck open every game with how bad their Oline is?? How is it saints year in year out have wideouts running wide the hell open, green bay under fuckin matt flynn and that Oline have guys open all day they can make a sammich drink some kool aid and still be wide the fuck open shit look at cinci's offense fuck even the damn vikings ONLY THE MUTHA FUCKIN RAVENS AFTER 10 FUCKIN YEARS STILL CANT FIGURE THIS SHIT OUT??? If i know wtf they are goin to run before they run you know damn well every nfl coach knows wtf they are about to run!!




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    How is it you watch teams like the eagles who have nick fuckin foles have wrs wide the fuck open every game with how bad their Oline is?? How is it saints year in year out have wideouts running wide the hell open, green bay under fuckin matt flynn and that Oline have guys open all day they can make a sammich drink some kool aid and still be wide the fuck open shit look at cinci's offense fuck even the damn vikings ONLY THE MUTHA FUCKIN RAVENS AFTER 10 FUCKIN YEARS STILL CANT FIGURE THIS SHIT OUT??? If i know wtf they are goin to run before they run you know damn well every nfl coach knows wtf they are about to run!!
    How many playoff appearances have the Eagles had in the last 5 years (the Harbaugh era)?
    AND how many Super Bowls have they won? Don't be so captivated because the team in Philly has played very well over the last two months. This season is not over yet... Bc




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    How many playoff appearances have the Eagles had in the last 5 years (the Harbaugh era)?
    AND how many Super Bowls have they won? Don't be so captivated because the team in Philly has played very well over the last two months. This season is not over yet... Bc
    lol harbaugh wasnt even in the meetings setting the O and D game plans before this year. he admitted he needs to spend more time at the end of last year.




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