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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.



    So a team that is still the Super Bowl Champs until another team wins is "stuck in the past". Yea OK.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    To be honest, their entire organizational approach to offense is really weird. If they're going to continue running the vertical, Schembecler-esque offense that Harbaugh seems to want them to run, they have to invest in good receivers, particularly big physical ones who can body up defensive backs and win one-on-one match ups. But it's pretty clear that Ozzie isn't interested in devoting those kind of resources to the WR position. This is an impossible impasse, and it's just not going to get resolved unless something gives.

    Defensively, I'd like to see them stop putting so much emphasis on big defensive linemen who stop the run first, and get some more athletic guys who can rush the passer and stunt.
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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    So a team that is still the Super Bowl Champs until another team wins is "stuck in the past". Yea OK.
    It is well known that their offensive design is that of 20-30 years ago.


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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    So a team that is still the Super Bowl Champs until another team wins is "stuck in the past". Yea OK.
    Technically the past is last year.... but I was thinking the same thing.
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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    So a team that is still the Super Bowl Champs until another team wins is "stuck in the past". Yea OK.
    Yeah, this just isn't an argument, sorry. It's obviously awesome that they won the Superbowl, but any sort of objectice assessment of the season has to acknowledge that the title came on the back of a) an all-time great run of games by Flacco, b) a highly improbably hail mary play, c) a number of very lucky/unlikely breaks in the regular season, any one or two of which going to other way could have kept them out of the playoffs entirely.

    Suffice it to say, "keep doing this" probably isn't going to be a sound strategy towards the goal of winning a bunch more Superbowls.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    I hear what you are saying, but who are the players they could have acquired to help this offense last offseason? GOTA listed the WRs, none of whom are #1's (IMO) and most of whom are no better than what they already have at a fraction of the cost. I will give you that they could and probably should have used one of their first few picks in the draft on a WR or TE.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    It is well known that their offensive design is that of 20-30 years ago.


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    So a team that utilizes the pistol formation a lot is running a design from 20-30 years ago? The pistol became relatively popular in the NFL that past few years. I'm not denying the Ravens need improvement (that's obvious based on their record), but to say they are "stuck in the past" is just wrong.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    our first 3 picks should be OL/TE/WR...not necessarily in that order




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    Yeah, this just isn't an argument, sorry. It's obviously awesome that they won the Superbowl, but any sort of objectice assessment of the season has to acknowledge that the title came on the back of a) an all-time great run of games by Flacco, b) a highly improbably hail mary play, c) a number of very lucky/unlikely breaks in the regular season, any one or two of which going to other way could have kept them out of the playoffs entirely.

    Suffice it to say, "keep doing this" probably isn't going to be a sound strategy towards the goal of winning a bunch more Superbowls.
    That's a ridiculous argument. So you're basing whatever it is your trying to say on "Flacco played really, really well so it really shouldn't count". Uh OK. That actually has nothing to do with the actual thread topic of the Ravens are stuck in the past. I can't even entertain a debate with you based on your talking points.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    That's a ridiculous argument. So you're basing whatever it is your trying to say on "Flacco played really, really well so it really shouldn't count". Uh OK. That actually has nothing to do with the actual thread topic of the Ravens are stuck in the past. I can't even entertain a debate with you based on your talking points.
    You mentioned the pistol formation and other posters have mentioned how they've become more pass reliant recently. The common theme is that they wait until AFTER their run the ball and play defense strategy failed horribly.
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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    So a team that utilizes the pistol formation a lot is running a design from 20-30 years ago? The pistol became relatively popular in the NFL that past few years. I'm not denying the Ravens need improvement (that's obvious based on their record), but to say they are "stuck in the past" is just wrong.
    To say "The Ravens organization is stuck in the past" is being a wee bit sensational. This team won the Super Bowl last year.

    Here is the real issue. You have Jim Caldwell running what is essentially still Cam Camerons offense with a few meaningless wrinkles. The problem comes in the attention to detail. Despite his faults, Cam was pretty good at making sure people had the fundamentals. He might not put them in a position to make a play but he made sure they looked good accomplishing nothing. With Caldwell there seems to be a lot of breakdowns and very basic error going on. At the end of the day it feels like what we are running now is Cams offense without the benefit of solid fundamentals.
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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    That's a ridiculous argument. So you're basing whatever it is your trying to say on "Flacco played really, really well so it really shouldn't count". Uh OK. That actually has nothing to do with the actual thread topic of the Ravens are stuck in the past. I can't even entertain a debate with you based on your talking points.
    We've had the same system since Cam and Joe got here.

    6 years worth of middling offense?

    Or a 4 game stretch?

    Which data sample is a better representative of the offense?


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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    To say "The Ravens organization is stuck in the past" is being a wee bit sensational. This team won the Super Bowl last year.

    Here is the real issue. You have Jim Caldwell running what is essentially still Cam Camerons offense with a few meaningless wrinkles. The problem comes in the attention to detail. Despite his faults, Cam was pretty good at making sure people had the fundamentals. He might not put them in a position to make a play but he made sure they looked good accomplishing nothing. With Caldwell there seems to be a lot of breakdowns and very basic error going on. At the end of the day it feels like what we are running now is Cams offense without the benefit of solid fundamentals.
    Cam's offense seemed to utilize the fullback more and no pistol formation. But I'll definitely buy your explanation in regards to detail over "they are stuck in the past". It just isn't true.




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    Cam's offense seemed to utilize the fullback more and no pistol formation. But I'll definitely buy your explanation in regards to detail over "they are stuck in the past". It just isn't true.
    Serious question: what exactly are you trying to argue? That their offense is just dandy?




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    Re: The Ravens organization is stuck in the past.

    Some changes on offense are needed. I think a series was emblematic today. With the Ravens down 20-7 and driving, everyone in the stadium and at home were envisioning a comeback. Then they turn the ball over on downs after three straight incomplete throws of 20 yards or more down the field. No imagination, no misdirection, just chuck it down the field for the ole jump ball down the sidelines.




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