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    There is a serious coaching defficiency on the offensive side of the ball. They need a new system and new coaches.

    Arian Foster got hurt. Ben Tate was ineffectively running with cracked ribs, and Kubiak still have rookie WRs running open all across the field.

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    one thing ive observed: torrey went out of the steelers game briefly for a "hand" injury - and hasnt been the same since coming back in. i dont think he had a drop all year up until the steelers game (after he came back). and the last few weeks, i feel like they're hiding him, hes more of a decoy.




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    From wicked on Torrey's perfofmance vs. the Lions :

    "As for Torrey Smith – first, I have to congratulate him for becoming the first Ravens receiver since Derrick Mason to eclipse 1,000 yards receiving. There were three distinct plays yesterday that make me think that Smith – as good as he is – will likely never truly develop into a true #1 receiver. Granted, this offense doesn’t necessarily need a “#1 receiver”, but after three seasons I would expect both Torrey’s ability to adjust to passes and his on-field awareness to be a lot better than they seem to be.
    The first instance was the deep pass down the left sideline. Torrey was covered by Rashean Mathis who he had effectively driven towards the middle of the field leaving a solid 3-5 yard cushion between Torrey and the sideline. Flacco’s pass was perfectly placed between Torrey and the sideline and instead of adjusting to the pass, Torrey swung his arm over Mathis’ helmet and then stretched out one hand for the pass as it fell incomplete. To me, it looked like Torrey was trying to draw a pass interference flag.
    The second instance came on the same side of the field and Torrey was given a huge cushion from Mathis (at least 10-12 yards). Torrey sprinted, did a double move to try and draw Mathis up and then Torrey sprinted further down the field. Now, Torrey didn’t sell the stop route very well, so Mathis didn’t come back to him at all. However, when Torrey stopped Mathis was still a good 8-10 yards behind Torrey. Had he just stayed there and let Flacco hit him on the stop route, Torrey would have had a big first down and then some.
    The third instance came on the right side of the field, late in the game. Flacco saw single-high coverage by the safety with the corner (Jonte Green) cheating towards the inside. Flacco snapped the ball and quickly fired it out to Torrey who was busy blocking down on Green. Now, that could be a lack of communication, but Flacco clearly saw something in the secondary that made him think that Torrey could have made a big play there and Torrey just wasn’t on the same page at all. Still, Torrey made some big plays in the middle of the field, so overall I’d give him a B- performance."

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    I don't think he's a true number one receiver but he's been forced into that role for most of the year.

    He's done pretty well all things considered...he had a couple of bad games with drops a couple weeks ago, but I can't complain about what Torrey has done this year.


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    Torrey is fine. He needs to make improvements on his route running, but the team needs to focus better on different routes to get him open. Every other team that has a #1 WR can get them touches except the Ravens. All Ravens WR need to get better at getting off the line of scrimmage in press coverage, this is why Joe misses alot of passes.

    The best play they called vs lions was the quick slant to torrey who was inside on 5 wide set. The corner made a nice break on the ball and just deflected pass. Had Joe lofted ball or Torrey sold the outside more on his break this goes off as a TD, since the Lions were in blitzing both edges. This is what coaches call execution, everyone needs to be on same page.




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    I am assuming old Bill will as usual try to neutralize our tip threat...which is no longer ray rice. So I am guessing his game plan will be to remove Torrey with talib.




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    Torrey needs help on the outside.

    Get someone else at WR that's a legitimate threat, and things will open up for Torrey. As much as people on here like to pump up Marlon Brown, he's not that guy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizerooskie View Post
    Torrey needs help on the outside.

    Get someone else at WR that's a legitimate threat, and things will open up for Torrey. As much as people on here like to pump up Marlon Brown, he's not that guy.
    I definitely think it's time for the Ravens to try to draft a great receiver.




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    Please don't put too much weight on Torrey's shoulders because he's not built for #1 status. IMO TS is a fine #2 WR. JJ and Marlon are interchangeable #2 and #3 WRs. The Ravens don't have a true #1 WR, but that won't keep them from continued winning. In 2012 was Boldin a pure #1 WR? I think not, and yet the Ravens went on to, and won the Super Bowl... Bc




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    I am assuming old Bill will as usual try to neutralize our tip threat...which is no longer ray rice. So I am guessing his game plan will be to remove Torrey with talib.
    Defensively, the Patriots play a lot of 2-deep coverage, more zone than man, but they have historically gone to more man coverage against us. Either coverage represents a challenge for our offense, which depends on pushing and pulling LBs and safeties toward and away from the LOS to create favorable run/pass splits. The keys to defending our defense are: 1) stop the run (this is accomplished by default) 2) take away the deep pass, and 3) lock down on the TE and slot receiver down the seams.

    Torrey Smith is unpredictable and can roast anybody anytime (see the divisional round game in Denver vs. Champ Bailey last year), but if he plays next Sunday like he has the last few games, Talib will likely erase him with little or no help. That accomplishes #2 and the Patriots probably won't need a ton of safety help to do so. With Smith not producing deep and outside the numbers, safeties and LBs can cheat inside to take away the seams.

    The Patriots are better in coverage than one might think and we could have real trouble on Sunday if the Patriots "inside" defenders can focus more on Pitta and Brown than Smith and Jacoby Jones. We might see Flacco dumping the ball off a lot with no one open downfield and that's probably not going to turn out well. The X-factor lately has been Jones, so let's hope he can continue to play well and Smith can start playing better.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenous1 View Post
    Time to pass what your smoking here.
    I second the motion as Torrey catches everything that he is able to get his hands on from Flacco. He is often double covered and it is not like the Ravens have a running game to take off the pass defense pressure.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRaven View Post
    I second the motion as Torrey catches everything that he is able to get his hands on from Flacco. He is often double covered and it is not like the Ravens have a running game to take off the pass defense pressure.
    This just simply isn't true.
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    This is another reason why they need a new offensive system. The system dictates the routes run, the drastic dependency on the rush offense and the lack of quick passing options. Yes, Joe is best at throwing deeper down the field, but you can still have a WC style system with vertical elements. We just saw it in New England when Moss was there and we are seeing it in Green Bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleRaven View Post
    I second the motion as Torrey catches everything that he is able to get his hands on from Flacco. He is often double covered and it is not like the Ravens have a running game to take off the pass defense pressure.
    Teams have been showing virtually zero respect for our passing game all season despite our running issues.

    It's almost laughable how teams constantly are loading the box on every down despite our struggles and our passing game can't make them pay on any type of consistent basis.

    It's a combination of shoddy protection (although it's gotten better...it was board elite criminal how bad it was for the first 8 or 9 games), receivers who still cannot beat man coverage and a scheme that still doesn't really help put guys in the best position to succeed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Teams have been showing virtually zero respect for our passing game all season despite our running issues.
    It's almost laughable how teams constantly are loading the box on every down despite our struggles and our passing game can't make them pay on any type of consistent basis.
    It's a combination of shoddy protection (although it's gotten better...it was board elite criminal how bad it was for the first 8 or 9 games), receivers who still cannot beat man coverage and a scheme that still doesn't really help put guys in the best position to succeed.
    Shall we just say THANK GOODNESS for Justin Tucker, and leave it at that... Bc




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