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  1. #76

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit



    Sorry for the err...confusion over the confusion. Thanks for setting me straight.

    Anyway, that is not evidence enough for me. He said, she said. I don't believe any team would do that. Specific quotes from specific players is needed here. Again, I am not saying it is impossible, I am just saying that is highly doubtful. The players are not like many fans; most of the players are genuinely concerned about each others' well being despite spirited competition on the field.

    Quote Originally Posted by CincyCat View Post
    I did mean players.




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    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Quote Originally Posted by Complex View Post
    Sorry for the err...confusion over the confusion. Thanks for setting me straight.

    Anyway, that is not evidence enough for me. He said, she said. I don't believe any team would do that. Specific quotes from specific players is needed here. Again, I am not saying it is impossible, I am just saying that is highly doubtful. The players are not like many fans; most of the players are genuinely concerned about each others' well being despite spirited competition on the field.
    You seem like a good guy so I will let it rest. Just really hate that this happened when it didn't have to. If you've followed any of my posts I constantly wish for a good game with little to no injuries. It will eventually kill the sport if it keeps going on with concussions, etc.
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  3. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by CincyCat View Post
    You seem like a good guy so I will let it rest. Just really hate that this happened when it didn't have to. If you've followed any of my posts I constantly wish for a good game with little to no injuries. It will eventually kill the sport if it keeps going on with concussions, etc.




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    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    The guy lowers his body, turns his head to the side to avoid helmet to helmet, and blocks a football player. It sucks that he got hurt, but the guy has a helmet, thigh, and shoulder pads on for Christ sake....
    Agreed; not the defenders fault that the punter took his eyes off the coming action
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  5. #80

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    Quote Originally Posted by CincyCat View Post
    Huber also sustained a cracked vertebrae. He is one helluva good person and teammate. It bothers me that this happened because it didn't have to.

    Just ask yourself how you would feel about Flacco getting hit under the same circumstances. Even it was legal it could have killed the guy.

    Players also reported Steelers boasting about it during the game.
    Now that is a shame. A cracked vertebra and a broken jaw.
    While the punter, Huber, should not have left himself open like that, there is still no excuse for that kind of violent, helmet to helmet hit. I think there was indeed intent to injure, although there is no way to prove that.

    I recall the Tatum hit on Stingley which left the man paralyzed for life. The replay of that seems to show it was a helmet to helmet and forearm to head hit, both at the same time.
    That was "legal" at the time but it should not have been.

    Now someone said it was silly that I thought Tomlin encouraged this type of illegal and borderline illegal play, while Harbaugh does the opposite. How so?
    The Steelers seem to always be near the top of the league in fines. In the SI "dirtiest playet" polls of prior years of other NFL players, the Steelers players often appeared near the top of the list.

    I think the head coach definitely has an affect on this type of behavior. IF the head coach encourages this type of play, with the intent of injuring and intimidating the opponent, then we wouldn't know this first hand, but we would see it on the field. And that is what has happened with the Steelers, esp since Tomlin took over.

    I've heard about the Bengals players, reporting the Steelers taunted them about taking their punter out. Again I think this type of behavior comes from the coach,either by his encouraging it or turning a blind eye to it.
    Last edited by Maverick Hiker; 12-16-2013 at 09:38 PM.




  6. #81

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Come on now. You could just have easily blocked him with proper technique and got the same results. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was a cheap shot.
    No. I'd have broken him in half then violated the corpse in front of his family.*

    You get a chance to lay someone out, you take it. Hard hits set the tone for your team and football is a game of mental and physical domination. I keep hearing that kickers are football players too, so they should act like it.

    (*This is obviously hyperbole. I never tried to injure another player but I did lay out vicious hits aplenty. Before and after the game I was very polite and friendly with the other team. During the game, they were my enemies.)


    EDIT: The fractured vertebrae is thought to have been a previous injury, not related to the hit Sunday.
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  7. #82

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Several Bengal players got mugged apparently.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...ngals-steelers

    Looks like they are flat out throwing players around.




  8. #83

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    That's football. I don't know what some of you think this game is supposed to be. This isn't pro wrestling, and the hits are supposed to be real, and if you do it right, the guy you just hit, doesn't want to be hit anymore. I'm not sure when this supposedly changed, but that is what the game was/is about.




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    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Hey! Pro wrestling IS real...isn't it???




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    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    Hey! Pro wrestling IS real...isn't it???
    Sure! I remember that Randy Savage vs Ricky Steamboat match like it was yesterday.




  11. #86

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Steeler player lunges at kicker,feet leave the ground. Illegal hit and should have been called. End of story. Make all the excuses you want, dirty play that impacted future field postion. Had it been Tucker,anyone change their minds.Steelers football playing, 2 other players on that play got hit illegally too. Refs looked the other way for rooney's team.




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    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Quote Originally Posted by lovefootball View Post
    Steeler player lunges at kicker,feet leave the ground. Illegal hit and should have been called. End of story. Make all the excuses you want, dirty play that impacted future field postion. Had it been Tucker,anyone change their minds.Steelers football playing, 2 other players on that play got hit illegally too. Refs looked the other way for rooney's team.
    My thought all day. Tucker is my fantasy kicker that won my playoff game for me, btw.

    Thanks for posting that. I was just watching it on tv.
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  14. #89

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    Are you talking about Cowher? Because he did. If you are speaking of Tomlin, I missed that. All franchises have had their issues. It comes and goes . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Trackmaster View Post
    A team has their head coach run on the field during a key punt return and nearly takes a punter's face off, and yet they're the All-American well run franchise in ESPN's eyes and we're not?




  15. #90

    Re: Bengals Punter's Jaw Broken by Steelers Blind Side Hit

    "Lunges?" No, he was blocking. He did more than lunge. The went to block another player about to make a tackle on a potential kick return for a TD. Of course he left his feet, he was blocking.

    It seems the hit may have been illegal on the grounds that the player was a punter. That seems to be the root of the issue. Nobody knows for sure. The second, but far more serious issue is the injury. Is it the injury that will be fined or the block? Because kickers regularly get involved in returns. If he was not injured, would there be such noise? Or would it be just another missed call by the refs? If so, it happens frequently.

    Garvin did not lead with his helmet. He clearly turned his head. Huber's head snapped forward as a result of the force. That is how their helmets hit. It should not be labeled a "helmet to helmet" hit, that contact was incidental to the block. However, players indeed are not allowed to block punters, then sure, it is a penalty. But a penalty worth a fine? I would think not. Then by proxy, it would be a fine on the injury itself. Which I believe the league weighs it's disciplinary actions on injuries, not the result of a penalty. And does the extent of an injury increase the penalty? Is that fair to a player? If that is the case, there should be a specific clause in the rules.

    A few things are evident as result of this incident:

    What exactly is the definition of "defenseless?
    Are punters and kickers considered "defenseless" throughout the course of the play?
    Are penalty amounts determined by the extent of an injury?
    Can punters and kickers be blocked after a kick or punt even in order to prevent a tackle?

    How the league handles this will be interesting. It might take them a few days to sort this out. One thing I do know, this entire incident is unfortunate for both players. the upside is it just might force the league to clear up a lot of questions regarding kickers.


    Quote Originally Posted by lovefootball View Post
    Steeler player lunges at kicker,feet leave the ground. Illegal hit and should have been called. End of story. Make all the excuses you want, dirty play that impacted future field postion. Had it been Tucker,anyone change their minds.Steelers football playing, 2 other players on that play got hit illegally too. Refs looked the other way for rooney's team.
    Last edited by Complex; 12-17-2013 at 11:01 PM.




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