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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin



    I'd take Watkins over Evans every time, just my two cents worth.




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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I'd take Watkins over Evans every time, just my two cents worth.
    Agreed. Give me pro-ready route running, quickness, and football IQ over height-weight-speed any day of the week. The vast majority of receivers that bust are guys who have great measurables but lack NFL type technique and experience. I don't really think Evans is going to bust, but the possibility is way higher. Watkins is already an NFL caliber route runner and wide receiver. Evans on the other hand is a huge, fast guy that can jump and catch the football well. One guy is a receiver and the other guy is an athlete, albeit a very good one.

    If I'm an NFL scout I'm also pretty concerned about Evans in TAMU's offense. Basically they run 100% "sandlot spread" football with virtually no pro route tree or play concepts. Sometimes guys like that (Demaryius Thomas) work out, but sometimes they don't (Stephen Hill.) IMO I just don't want to take the risk, so give me a pro-style guy instead any day of the week.




  3. #33

    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    I'd take Watkins over Evans every time, just my two cents worth.
    Same here.

    He is a terrific all around receiver and the best in this draft by a significant margin IMHO.


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  4. #34

    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Agreed. Give me pro-ready route running, quickness, and football IQ over height-weight-speed any day of the week. The vast majority of receivers that bust are guys who have great measurables but lack NFL type technique and experience. I don't really think Evans is going to bust, but the possibility is way higher. Watkins is already an NFL caliber route runner and wide receiver. Evans on the other hand is a huge, fast guy that can jump and catch the football well. One guy is a receiver and the other guy is an athlete, albeit a very good one.

    If I'm an NFL scout I'm also pretty concerned about Evans in TAMU's offense. Basically they run 100% "sandlot spread" football with virtually no pro route tree or play concepts. Sometimes guys like that (Demaryius Thomas) work out, but sometimes they don't (Stephen Hill.) IMO I just don't want to take the risk, so give me a pro-style guy instead any day of the week.
    I agree with your statement that big guys bust more , but I still think we should go after one of the height, weight, speed guys. While they do bust more and worse than receivers like Watkins the difference in potential makes up for that. We need a big time difference maker that is a legit upgrade over the guys we got. While Watkins would be an upgrade over who we have I think the difference in play would more than likely not be huge like if you had a beast receiver. Just ask the Titans who they would have rather picked two years back. Kendall Wright or Alshon Jeffrey? One guy will probably give you on average a 1,000 yards and 5 TDs over his career while the other guy will get 1,300 and 10 TDs. Yes, they are more prone to bust like with Brian Quick and Jonathan Baldwin, but sometimes you have got to take a chance on a guy like Jeffrey early. The Ravens I don't believe have ever done that. Clayton was not that type of guy. Actually, I'm not sure because I was quite young when he was drafted, but wasn't Clayton similar to Watkins as a prospect?

    The Ravens have gone relatively conservative with their top pick since 2009 except for 2011 with Jimmy Smith. Jimmy Smith was a risk, but he is turning into a big time playmaker. The Ravens "conseravtive" picks haven't really worked out lately. Oher has been underwhelming. Kindle, who could be called a risk or conservative (I will call a risk because he fell so far) is not in the league. Upshaw will be a part time run defender most likely his whole career and the jury is still out on Elam. The Ravens should take a risk and go for a guy that can be the next Jeffrey or Gordon. Just my POV.




  5. #35

    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    I don't think Evans or Benjamin has more potential than Watkins at all.

    I think some of you are really underestimating Watkins...


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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by landshark52 View Post
    I agree with your statement that big guys bust more , but I still think we should go after one of the height, weight, speed guys. While they do bust more and worse than receivers like Watkins the difference in potential makes up for that. We need a big time difference maker that is a legit upgrade over the guys we got. While Watkins would be an upgrade over who we have I think the difference in play would more than likely not be huge like if you had a beast receiver. Just ask the Titans who they would have rather picked two years back. Kendall Wright or Alshon Jeffrey? One guy will probably give you on average a 1,000 yards and 5 TDs over his career while the other guy will get 1,300 and 10 TDs. Yes, they are more prone to bust like with Brian Quick and Jonathan Baldwin, but sometimes you have got to take a chance on a guy like Jeffrey early. The Ravens I don't believe have ever done that. Clayton was not that type of guy. Actually, I'm not sure because I was quite young when he was drafted, but wasn't Clayton similar to Watkins as a prospect?

    The Ravens have gone relatively conservative with their top pick since 2009 except for 2011 with Jimmy Smith. Jimmy Smith was a risk, but he is turning into a big time playmaker. The Ravens "conseravtive" picks haven't really worked out lately. Oher has been underwhelming. Kindle, who could be called a risk or conservative (I will call a risk because he fell so far) is not in the league. Upshaw will be a part time run defender most likely his whole career and the jury is still out on Elam. The Ravens should take a risk and go for a guy that can be the next Jeffrey or Gordon. Just my POV.
    Clayton and Wright aren't close to Watkins as prospects. I'm not sure why you keep comparing him to sub-6' players. He's bigger in both height and weight.

    He's a big time difference maker. I'm not sure why you don't think he is. Totally elite WR prospect.

    Want to know the list of players that were AP 1st team All-Americans as true freshmen?

    Adrian Peterson
    Marshall Faulk
    Herschel Walker
    Sammy Watkins




  7. #37

    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I don't think Evans or Benjamin has more potential than Watkins at all.

    I think some of you are really underestimating Watkins...


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    I realize that Watkins has a lot of potential, but I'm watching some of his film and he's getting some huge cushions, not having to fight through close coverage, he hasn't faced much press at all (and struggled a little when he faced some in the Virginia game), and a huge amount of his receptions came off screens. I'm not saying I like the guy, but in the NFL you are going to be facing guys on par athletically that will press you with no fear. I'm just not sure if Watkins has the ability to be consistently beat those guys off the press and beat the new breed of long corners on the jump ball. I still view him as a first round pick, but if I am drafting a WR in the first round, I would want a guy with size who has shown he can make a play for my quarterback on a broken play jump ball, and be a beast in the red zone




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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Alas the praise for Watkins here is moot. He's not dropping down to us.




  9. #39

    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by landshark52 View Post
    I realize that Watkins has a lot of potential, but I'm watching some of his film and he's getting some huge cushions, not having to fight through close coverage, he hasn't faced much press at all (and struggled a little when he faced some in the Virginia game), and a huge amount of his receptions came off screens. I'm not saying I like the guy, but in the NFL you are going to be facing guys on par athletically that will press you with no fear. I'm just not sure if Watkins has the ability to be consistently beat those guys off the press and beat the new breed of long corners on the jump ball. I still view him as a first round pick, but if I am drafting a WR in the first round, I would want a guy with size who has shown he can make a play for my quarterback on a broken play jump ball, and be a beast in the red zone
    Those same questions are for all recievers.

    In regards to Evans, almost all his big plays and a Ron of his receptions come out of scramble drills where JFF is holding the ball running around for 5-6 seconds.

    And no way in hell is Mark Clayton the same type of prospect as Watkins...Watkins is significantly bigger, faster, wins jump balls and is way more explosive.


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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Yeah just having a little trouble coming up with a comparison. The guy to me is a top-15 player, but if I were starting a team, I want my number 1 wide receiver to be 6'3" and 220. That's just me. The guy is still going to be a really great player. Has awesome hands too. But in terms of a comparison who would you guys say? My best thought was Antonio Brown, but yeah he is smaller. I mean maybe DHB when he came out except a lot more polished and a better football player.




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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Marquise lee is the best wideout we will have a shot at. He's my number two just because he's one of maybe three players that are pro ready at the position re route running, technique and ability to get open and create a window.

    That's what we need more than a size weight speed specimen.




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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by landshark52 View Post
    Yeah just having a little trouble coming up with a comparison. The guy to me is a top-15 player, but if I were starting a team, I want my number 1 wide receiver to be 6'3" and 220. That's just me. The guy is still going to be a really great player. Has awesome hands too. But in terms of a comparison who would you guys say? My best thought was Antonio Brown, but yeah he is smaller. I mean maybe DHB when he came out except a lot more polished and a better football player.
    why does he have to be compared to anyone




  13. #43

    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Comparison?

    I think he is more of a Torrey Holt with better jump ball skills.

    Watkins may be 6-1, but he plays a lot bigger than that size.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    Agreed. Give me pro-ready route running, quickness, and football IQ over height-weight-speed any day of the week. The vast majority of receivers that bust are guys who have great measurables but lack NFL type technique and experience. I don't really think Evans is going to bust, but the possibility is way higher. Watkins is already an NFL caliber route runner and wide receiver. Evans on the other hand is a huge, fast guy that can jump and catch the football well. One guy is a receiver and the other guy is an athlete, albeit a very good one.

    If I'm an NFL scout I'm also pretty concerned about Evans in TAMU's offense. Basically they run 100% "sandlot spread" football with virtually no pro route tree or play concepts. Sometimes guys like that (Demaryius Thomas) work out, but sometimes they don't (Stephen Hill.) IMO I just don't want to take the risk, so give me a pro-style guy instead any day of the week.
    I agree with this.

    However, sometimes you have to take a chance on a guy who might be a little raw. Though, I think the best way to do that is to ensure they aren't a super high draft pick. I think the Chargers taking Keenan Allen last year when they did was a good example of a good "risk" with taking a raw player.


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    Re: Mike Evans vs. Sammy Watkins vs. Kelvin Benjamin

    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Marquise lee is the best wideout we will have a shot at. He's my number two just because he's one of maybe three players that are pro ready at the position re route running, technique and ability to get open and create a window.

    That's what we need more than a size weight speed specimen.
    Assuming his health checks out, I'd be ecstatic with Lee. He's got DeSean Jackson-caliber elusiveness. Lee probably doesn't have the same kind of top-end speed, but he's thicker and has more natural hands.




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