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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit



    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I watch Atlanta games also. Once again you are throwing an excuse out there and pretending it makes the entire difference.

    The simple fact is your insinuation that Ryan is having a terrible year is false. Despite your excuse, he somehow has a higher Y/A number (+0.6), a higher Adjusted Y/A (+1.0), a higher Net Y/A (+0.89), and a higher Adjusted Net Y/A (+1.3). Then there is the TD% (+0.7%) and INT% (-0.7%).
    Go to any Falcons forum and see the myriad of threads about Ryan underperforming. You have to look past the raw numbers. I already showed how Harry Douglas has 418 YAC yards and Torrey has 280...gee I wonder if that would impact the respective Y/A numbers????????? By golly I think it might. Ryan is getting a free 138 yards in his stat column purely because his WR gives him more YAC. Gee adjust those stats for YAC and I wonder if those numbers would change??? Hmmm... I bet they would.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    As for accuracy and aDOT, here you go:

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...on-percentage/
    Thanks...I've already seen that article...IN MARCH 2013.


    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Obviously the QB rating rewards certain styles of play over others. But combined with all the other stats at our disposal plus our eyes, we can easily determine that Ryan is not playing like "garbage." I wouldn't even say Flacco is playing like garbage, though it is more debatable.
    The garbage term was hyperbole with respect to both QBs.

    My point was, both are performing well under expectation. Both are performing like "rookies". Both are exhibiting bad habits. WHY???????????????????????????? Suddenly in year 6 they both have regressed? NO.
    They both have horrible OLs, no run support, and lost key pass catchers.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Go to any Falcons forum and see the myriad of threads about Ryan underperforming. You have to look past the raw numbers. I already showed how Harry Douglas has 418 YAC yards and Torrey has 280...gee I wonder if that would impact the respective Y/A numbers????????? By golly I think it might. Ryan is getting a free 138 yards in his stat column purely because his WR gives him more YAC. Gee adjust those stats for YAC and I wonder if those numbers would change??? Hmmm... I bet they would.

    Thanks...I've already seen that article...IN MARCH 2013.


    The garbage term was hyperbole with respect to both QBs.

    My point was, both are performing well under expectation. Both are performing like "rookies". Both are exhibiting bad habits. WHY???????????????????????????? Suddenly in year 6 they both have regressed? NO.
    They both have horrible OLs, no run support, and lost key pass catchers.
    LOL




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Go to any Falcons forum and see the myriad of threads about Ryan underperforming. You have to look past the raw numbers. I already showed how Harry Douglas has 418 YAC yards and Torrey has 280...gee I wonder if that would impact the respective y/A numbers????????? Ryan is getting a free 138 yards in his stat column purely because his WR gives him more YAC.
    Wow, you mean there are people on a message board that are complaining about his play? I am shocked. But seriously, I have no idea why you think this is relevant.

    Obviously he is having a worse year than last year, that is indicated by the numbers.

    Harry Douglas has 140 more YAC than Torrey? Wow, that must explain things. Of course if we averaged the Falcons YAC on our completions we would have a paltry 95 more passing yards. (Atlanta 5.79 YAC avg.; Ravens 5.36 YAC avg.). And of course, YAC is a function of more than WR skill, such as not underthrowing open deep routes, not throwing behind guys in crossing routes, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post

    Thanks...I've already seen that article...IN MARCH 2013.
    Yeah, so? You tossed out there that Ryan throws short throws as if that alone explains his results. The data indicates he throws more accurately than expected on the short throws, and the 0-9 throws and the 10-19 throws. And Flacco shows up in the 0-9 and 10-19 data as well (just not where some would expect him to).

    Are you arguing Ryan is throwing an inordinate amount of checkdowns this year over last year and previous years?


    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post

    The garbage term was hyperbole with respect to both QBs.

    My point was, both are performing well under expectation. Both are performing like "rookies". Both are exhibiting bad habits. WHY???????????????????????????? Suddenly in year 6 they both have regressed? NO.
    They both have horrible OLs, no run support, and lost key pass catchers.
    Flacco is performing well below his worst year ever. Ryan, not so much. Flacco's 2013 QB rating is 9.6 below his career average. Ryan's is 0.8 below his average.

    Flacco and Ryan, while both performing worse than last year, have not fallen anywhere near equal amounts or to anywhere near equal levels (89.9 QB rating to 75.3 QB rating).
    Last edited by Haloti92; 11-23-2013 at 09:39 PM.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    matt ryan

    Y/G 287.3



    joey flacco



    Y/G 246.9
    Wow. 40.4 yards more/game.

    Just for fun...let's adjust these numbers for YAC to provide some CONTEXT.

    Here are Ryan's top 4 YAC guys:
    Douglas: 418
    Rodgers: 264
    Snelling: 166
    Gonzalez: 158
    TOTAL: 1006

    Here are Flacco's top 4 YAC guys:
    Smith: 280
    Rice: 206
    Clark: 161
    Brown: 148
    TOTAL: 795

    Now, divide those totals by 10 games. From his top 4 guys, Ryan gets ~100.6 yards/game. Flacco gets ~79.5. Now deduct those YAC yards from the baseline yards/game:

    Ryan: 287.3-100.5 = 186.8
    Flacco: 246.9-79.5 = 167.4.

    186.8-167.4 = 19.4 yards/game.

    Wow...Ryan including his top 4 YAC guys had 40.4 more yards/game. However, adjust that for YAC and it drops over 50% to just 19.4 more yards/game than Flacco with respect to contributing YAC.

    This is merely an example to show how raw stats without context are just numbers. But you can clearly see how Ryan' stats benefits more from YAC.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Wow. 40.4 yards more/game.

    Just for fun...let's adjust these numbers for YAC to provide some CONTEXT.

    Here are Ryan's top 4 YAC guys:
    Douglas: 418
    Rodgers: 264
    Snelling: 166
    Gonzalez: 158
    TOTAL: 1006

    Here are Flacco's top 4 YAC guys:
    Smith: 280
    Rice: 206
    Clark: 161
    Brown: 148
    TOTAL: 795

    Now, divide those totals by 10 games. From his top 4 guys, Ryan gets ~100.6 yards/game. Flacco gets ~79.5. Now deduct those YAC yards from the baseline yards/game:

    Ryan: 287.3-100.5 = 186.8
    Flacco: 246.9-79.5 = 167.4.

    186.8-167.4 = 19.4 yards/game.

    Wow...Ryan including his top 4 YAC guys had 40.4 more yards/game. However, adjust that for YAC and it drops over 50% to just 19.4 more yards/game than Flacco with respect to contributing YAC.

    This is merely an example to show how raw stats without context are just numbers. But you can clearly see how Ryan' stats benefits more from YAC.

    yea wow its almost 20% more LOL WOWOWOW




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    Wow, you mean there are people on a message board that are complaining about his play? I am shocked. But seriously, I have no idea why you think this is relevant.

    Obviously he is having a worse year than last year, that is indicated by the numbers.

    Harry Douglas has 140 more YAC than Torrey? Wow, that must explain things. Of course if we averaged the Falcons YAC on our completions we would have a paltry 95 more passing yards. (Atlanta 5.79 YAC avg.; Ravens 5.36 YAC avg.). And of course, YAC is a function of more than WR skill, such as not underthrowing open deep routes, not throwing behind guys in crossing routes, etc.



    Yeah, so? You tossed out there that Ryan throws short throws as if that alone explains his results. The data indicates he throws more accurately than expected on the short throws, and the 0-9 throws and the 10-19 throws. And Flacco shows up in the 0-9 and 10-19 data as well.

    Are you arguing Ryan is throwing an inordinate amount of checkdowns this year over last? If so, provide the data. Then explain the Y/A data.




    Flacco is performing well below his worst year ever. Ryan, not so much. Flacco's 2013 QB rating is 9.6 below his career average. Ryan's is 0.8 below his average.

    Flacco and Ryan, while both performing worse than last year, have not fallen anywhere near equal amounts or to anywhere near equal levels (89.9 QB rating to 75.2 QB rating).
    Nothing I can say will change your mind about Flacco. Someone less biased than you are would clearly see my point.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    some folks have a bad habit of being afraid to criticize joey flacco




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    yea wow its almost 20% more LOL WOWOWOW
    Yeah because 20% isn't statistically significant or anything.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    some folks have a bad habit of being afraid to criticize joey flacco
    Some folks have a bad habit of being ignorant to relevant and pertinent analysis.

    But hey please continue to discuss "joey" flacco. I am sure you will do so on an even, fair basis, without bias.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Yeah because 20% isn't statistically significant or anything.
    i agree its very significant, not sure why you discounted that number




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Some folks have a bad habit of being ignorant to relevant and pertinent analysis.

    But hey please continue to discuss "joey" flacco. I am sure you will do so on an even, fair basis, without bias.
    you brought no analysis to this thread, you started comparing flacco to ryan and completely ignored the topic of this thread.

    this was your best analysis
    Go to any Falcons forum and see the myriad of threads about Ryan underperforming.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    you brought no analysis to this thread, you started comparing flacco to ryan and completely ignored the topic of this thread.

    this was your best analysis
    No analysis? Did you know how much YAC support Flacco gets before tonight?

    You brought what...the use of the demeaning term "joey"????????? Great contribution. Really high level. On point.




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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    some folks have a bad habit of being afraid to criticize joey flacco
    Joey Flacco? LOL. How old are you? 12?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    No analysis? Did you know how much YAC support Flacco gets before tonight?

    You brought what...the use of the demeaning term "joey"????????? Great contribution. Really high level. On point.
    lol how does YAC support/refute joeys bad habits...seems like reading comprehension is an issue. please reread the OPs article again.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Joey Flacco? LOL. How old are you? 12?
    i used it because thats what bt calls joe, he sounds like joes mom LOL

    e.g. "my joey is perfect he has no bad habits"




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