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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit



    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    He isn't. But he also isn't as bad as this year would suggest. And neither is Ryan. Their situations are strikingly similar. And it is valid to point to how both are struggling for the same general reasons.

    Using "little joey" doesn't help show impartiality either.
    this is a bad habits thread not joey sucks thread. changing topic and bringing in matty ice into the conversations doesn't show "impartiality"
    plenty of ppl in this thread admit joey has a few bad habits. thats all




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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    yea that was a great play. im starting to think a qb coach will be very helpful
    it wouldn't be a bad idea...hell, I'd bring Zorn back if he works well with Caldwell.

    Honestly, Caldwell was a great coach for Flacco, but moving to OC, he has too much on his plate to work hands on with Flacco. Another benefit of a QB coach is that QB coach can be the guy in Flacco's ear with Caldwell in the booth, basically being the link from Joe to Caldwell. This is something that didn't happen with Cam, because Cam was a sideline OC.
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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    this is a bad habits thread not joey sucks thread. changing topic and bringing in matty ice into the conversations doesn't show "impartiality"
    plenty of ppl in this thread admit joey has a few bad habits. thats all
    because bad habits are mutually exclusive from the other 10 players on the field? I forgot this wasn't a team sport. I'm sure bad habits don't get compounded by free pass rushers coming through the middle, 2.8 ypc RBs that get no defensive attention causing teams to stack their secondary, and WRs that were either undrafted, cut or brought in a few weeks before the season opener, some well on the wrong side of 30. Yeah Joe has some horrible habits.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    because bad habits are mutually exclusive from the other 10 players on the field? I forgot this wasn't a team sport. I'm sure bad habits don't get compounded by free pass rushers coming through the middle, 2.8 ypc RBs that get no defensive attention causing teams to stack their secondary, and WRs that were either undrafted, cut or brought in a few weeks before the season opener, some well on the wrong side of 30. Yeah Joe has some horrible habits.
    yea joe is perfect sorry for any criticism LOL
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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    if you read the article and see the stills, you will know what the OP posted about. Predetermining reads, staring down receivers and trying to execute a play that isnt there. It has cost the team this year.
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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    because bad habits are mutually exclusive from the other 10 players on the field? I forgot this wasn't a team sport. I'm sure bad habits don't get compounded by free pass rushers coming through the middle, 2.8 ypc RBs that get no defensive attention causing teams to stack their secondary, and WRs that were either undrafted, cut or brought in a few weeks before the season opener, some well on the wrong side of 30. Yeah Joe has some horrible habits.
    They undoubtedly do. However a quarterback in his sixth year should not still be making rookie mistakes. He has always locked onto his primary receiver, and he rarely if ever looks off defenders. These are things that he should have progressed from long ago. Until today I didn't realize how much he predetermined before the snap where the ball was going and forced it anyway. With increased freedom to operate in this offense, he definitely should not be doing this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    if you read the article and see the stills, you will know what the OP posted about. Predetermining reads, staring down receivers and trying to execute a play that isnt there. It has cost the team this year.
    predeterming read = not trusting OL.

    Staring down WRs = not trusting WR = forcing plays.

    Again, they are saying the EXACT same things in Atlanta. Pretty amazing that two different QBs have the same exact bad habits.
    Or...they have the same exact scenarios: poor OL, poor run support, loss of established/trusted pass catchers. All of which hit at the same exact time for a perfect trifecta of QB killing cocktail.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    They undoubtedly do. However a quarterback in his sixth year should not still be making rookie mistakes. He has always locked onto his primary receiver, and he rarely if ever looks off defenders. These are things that he should have progressed from long ago. Until today I didn't realize how much he predetermined before the snap where the ball was going and forced it anyway. With increased freedom to operate in this offense, he definitely should not be doing this.
    Right. What is more plausible, that both Ryan and flacco have regressed to pre-rookie form, or they have no protection, no run support and no weapons.

    Two QBs drafted in the first rd, with established 5 year track records, each with $100M contracts, suddenly pull a switcheroo and turn into garbage? Riiiiighhtttt.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Right. What is more plausible, that both Ryan and flacco have regressed to pre-rookie form, or they have no protection, no run support and no weapons.

    Two QBs drafted in the first rd, with established 5 year track records, each with $100M contracts, suddenly pull a switcheroo and turn into garbage? Riiiiighhtttt.....
    no one said joey "turn into garbage?" LOL smh

    i take it you didnt read the article like RWT suggested




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Right. What is more plausible, that both Ryan and flacco have regressed to pre-rookie form, or they have no protection, no run support and no weapons.

    Two QBs drafted in the first rd, with established 5 year track records, each with $100M contracts, suddenly pull a switcheroo and turn into garbage? Riiiiighhtttt.....
    I don't know why you keep bringing up Ryan. This thread was about Flacco and his propensity to predetermine where he is going with the ball, defense be damned. It has cost us games, whether you choose to admit it or not.




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Right. What is more plausible, that both Ryan and flacco have regressed to pre-rookie form, or they have no protection, no run support and no weapons.

    Two QBs drafted in the first rd, with established 5 year track records, each with $100M contracts, suddenly pull a switcheroo and turn into garbage? Riiiiighhtttt.....
    While I don't disagree that the play around Flacco plays into his results...he also needs to compensate for the play around him.

    Like I said, on the pick 6, he can't make the throw when Rice misses the block. When Dallas Clark is running with double coverage, he can't force the throw in there. Joe still throws the ball better than most of the QBs in the NFL, but he has to clean up his game.

    As said above, criticizing his play is NOT the same as saying he's garbage. As Tony said in his article...his crticism comes from knowing that Joe is usually better than this, but seeing that something this year is not working well. Part of that is play around him, but another part is his own level of play. Joe is NOT having a good year, but we know that's not what we're used to seeing from him.
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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by iggyman555 View Post
    no one said joey "turn into garbage?" LOL smh

    i take it you didnt read the article like RWT suggested
    Of course I read the article.

    Isn't it weird that tony and all the experts here are here....and not employed by the nfl?




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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    predeterming read = not trusting OL.

    Staring down WRs = not trusting WR = forcing plays.
    completely disagree with that assessment, hell the pick six last week was to the fullback and had nothing to do with either.

    “I saw Vonta (Leach) open in the flat and the next thing you know, I saw a guy run the other way with the football… he was just a lineman”, Flacco said following the loss to the Bears.“You’re not really paying too much attention to him. You’re trying to get a read down field and we had just a little curl-flat combo going, and Vonta came pretty open.”
    Maybe you SHOULD pay attention Joe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Of course I read the article.

    Isn't it weird that tony and all the experts here are here....and not employed by the nfl?
    What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? Because Tony and the people posting critcism aren't NFL execs or coaches, our opinions are invalid? Are YOU employed by the NFL?

    Analysts aren't employed by the NFL...because NFL doesn't employ analysts. Analysts are supposed to provide opinions on what they see on game play. Agree or disagree, it's your opinion, but we're providing our opinion on what we've seen.
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    Re: Flacco's Bad Habit

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    I don't know why you keep bringing up Ryan. This thread was about Flacco and his propensity to predetermine where he is going with the ball, defense be damned. It has cost us games, whether you choose to admit it or not.
    because they are analogous situations. I could copy and paste comments from a falcons thread and you wouldn't be able to tell if they were talking about Ryan or flacco. Why? How could that be when they are clearly two different QBs?

    Ryan is forcing balls into double and triple coverage, throwing pick 6s and losing games. Just like flacco. Weird how two different QBs are exhibiting identical issues. Or...not, given they have the same exact situation: poor OL, poor run support, loss of weapons.




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