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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    ...Apparently they liked 3 wides better than goal line down there? The only pass play we have out of that that ever works is the little flip over the middle that Boldin kept hitting in the playoffs and that Torrey is starting to hit. But other than that, we have no other reliable pass plays down there. Sometimes the little 2 yarder in the flat to Leach, but that's really all we have.
    Not just in this one scenario (though in hindsight I'd be curious to see if it would have worked)... I could swear I could count the number of WR screens they've run this year on one hand. I'm sure I'm wrong... but the perception is still there! Have Doss show a corner from the slot, have Torrey immediately run towards Joe, throw the quick hitter at him coming towards the pocket, and then put it on Torrey to catch, turn up-field, and dive for the two yards. You're hoping Doss' route makes his man take a step or two back, and also does just enough to disrupt the CB covering Smith, that he gets just enough free release to make the turn. If he can square up and turn without a guy hitting him immediately, he probably gets enough to get in...

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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Trestman has done a lot with that offense. If Cutler could stay healthy, he'd prob be a pro bowler this year under Trestman


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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Great analysis on the strategy. Bill Belichick was in the same situation last night and didn't use his timeouts while the Panthers were driving. Now I know why.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Werewolf View Post
    Didn't quite read all of that but this is a man that made an MVP out of Rich Gannon. (and so far is making McNown look like a legit player) I figure hes a pretty sharp guy.
    Trestman was a very good hire by the Bears. I like Lovie Smith too but after years of confusion on offense they really needed this. I'm curious to see what they do with Cutler who is a free agent after the season. With Trestman I could see them franchising Cutler and drafting a QB. That would give them a season to make a decision instead of just spending a boatload on a player who seems to have a lot of injury history.
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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Trestman was a very good hire by the Bears. I like Lovie Smith too but after years of confusion on offense they really needed this. I'm curious to see what they do with Cutler who is a free agent after the season. With Trestman I could see them franchising Cutler and drafting a QB. That would give them a season to make a decision instead of just spending a boatload on a player who seems to have a lot of injury history.
    That's what I think they will do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Interesting insight but it's not particularly brilliant. Just a measured and detailed thought-process.

    WRT the Ravens, time didn't have anything to do with it. Failure to execute and failure to score a TD did.
    If he really made all those considerations in real time, then I think it's pretty brilliant. It's one thing to know the information. It's another to be able to recall and process all of it in a high stakes situation with very limited time.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    I'm so jealous. I wish we had bright, innovative coaches like that. Maybe we do, but they're on leashes of Harbaugh's arrested development as a coach.
    Bears fans wish they had a Super Bowl winning coach.




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    His explanation doesn't impress me at all. He should have called a timeout exactly where he said he was next to the ref and about to, after we made 1st and goal from the 5 yard line.




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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    Not just in this one scenario (though in hindsight I'd be curious to see if it would have worked)... I could swear I could count the number of WR screens they've run this year on one hand. I'm sure I'm wrong... but the perception is still there! Have Doss show a corner from the slot, have Torrey immediately run towards Joe, throw the quick hitter at him coming towards the pocket, and then put it on Torrey to catch, turn up-field, and dive for the two yards. You're hoping Doss' route makes his man take a step or two back, and also does just enough to disrupt the CB covering Smith, that he gets just enough free release to make the turn. If he can square up and turn without a guy hitting him immediately, he probably gets enough to get in...

    2ndDownPlay.jpg
    When I was watching the game that is basically the play I had THOUGHT they were going to run , given the personnel. Why else would you have that personnel package in the game? I thought they'd have Torrey set a pick for Doss with a throw to the front pylon.




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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    I made the same complaint about running on second down. Much better to throw it there and if you fail, keep all options open on third down.

    Harbaugh coached poorly for a variety of reasons, that being one of them.




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    Trestman waving away his chances of scoring a TD, in the short amount of time he would have had left had we scored after his first timeout is idiotic. Obviously no one is saying you should only call the timeout if it gives you a great chance to score a TD when you get the ball back. They are saying you call the timeout because it gives you some, any, chance to win if we score a TD. Which better than no chance at all.

    And the fact we got to third down without any timeouts and thereby made it obvious we had to pass, is simply our incompetence, nothing more. If he is relying on that to support his decision, that is a massive stretch. Had we thrown on either 1st or 2nd down (or both), without him knowing whether we were throwing or running, then the 3rd down limitation never happens.

    And of course, we could have scored on our first down play and left him only 20 seconds left instead of the 1:10 or so. Or the second down play with similar differences.

    The NFL odds of scoring a TD from 1st and goal from the 5 yard line is around 70%. Obviously with our inept offense it would be less, but still the odds are good.

    In short, there is no reason whatsoever we should have felt or been rushed in those circumstances, and therefore no reason Trestman should count on it or use it as a reason to refrain from calling a timeout. And there is no reason to simply throw away whatever little chance there would be of you scoring a TD after we scored a TD.

    Trestman's decision was not smart at all, imo.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    His explanation doesn't impress me at all. He should have called a timeout exactly where he said he was next to the ref and about to, after we made 1st and goal from the 5 yard line.
    It makes sense if you consider that the Bears probably liked their chances against the run with no fullback, one non blocking TE (Clark) and 3 WRs in the game. They probably also liked their chances against the pass in a short area, since the Ravens don't show much ability to score from the pass deep in the red zone.

    Don't know if Trestman exactly said it, but I think he did, that he didn't want to give the Ravens a free chance to put their jumbo group out there.

    My thought is he liked his odds of defending against our 2 minute package inside a small area, better than he liked his goalline defense against our heavy package. So given the choice, he opted to keep his extra DBs on the field against our 3 wide personnel. At least that's what I took him to be saying.

    So in the end, that's just him measuring his odds based on his knowledge of his personnel, and not so much the amount of time left in the game. Sounds like he's glad we didn't call the TO at the 5 and put in our heavy package.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    It makes sense if you consider that the Bears probably liked their chances against the run with no fullback, one non blocking TE (Clark) and 3 WRs in the game. They probably also liked their chances against the pass in a short area, since the Ravens don't show much ability to score from the pass deep in the red zone.

    Don't know if Trestman exactly said it, but I think he did, that he didn't want to give the Ravens a free chance to put their jumbo group out there.

    My thought is he liked his odds of defending against our 2 minute package inside a small area, better than he liked his goalline defense against our heavy package. So given the choice, he opted to keep his extra DBs on the field against our 3 wide personnel. At least that's what I took him to be saying.

    So in the end, that's just him measuring his odds based on his knowledge of his personnel, and not so much the amount of time left in the game. Sounds like he's glad we didn't call the TO at the 5 and put in our heavy package.
    But the time in the game is the crucial part. You do not sacrifice the 13% or whatever low odds he said he would have had to score an answering TD just for nebulous advantages that apply to a single play.

    We wanted the clock to run, we were not hurrying after we got to the 5 yard line. We could have run in subs. And even if we didn't, we had 2 timeouts and only 3 plays to run before the FG attempt. The only thing we needed to do, period, is throw the ball on one of the three plays. That is it. That we were completely stupid as to wait until the last of the three plays to throw it, when everyone knows we had to throw it, is 100% our incompetence, and cannot be reasonably relied on in any decision by Trestman.

    The math says Trestman should call the timeout on 1st down there.

    And there is sort of a reverse mind game (to the one Trestman uses in his explanation) that goes on if he does call a timeout there that he completely ignores in his defense of his decision. And that is, Harbaugh would have been pressured into running the ball (to make Trestman use his timeouts) had Trestman called a timeout after the 1st down. Harbaugh would have been worried about Trestman getting the ball back with a minute and a timeout or two, and would therefore would have felt compelled to run it at least one or two times.

    I think almost every coach calls a timeout there, and rightfully so.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    Bears fans wish they had a Super Bowl winning coach.
    You're right. They wish they had Ditka back!




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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    that Harbaugh has been getting outcaoched like mutha fucka lately




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