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    Marc Trestman knows his crap

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,7332934.story

    Did you wonder why Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman did not call a timeout during the Baltimore Ravens' drive at the end of regulation in an attempt to save time for his offense in case the game was tied or they trailed?

    So did we. Trestman kept all three time outs in his pocket, and the Bears went to overtime in Sunday's 23-20 victory. Trestman's shared his thought process about the decision during a 1-minute, 54-second explanation Monday afternoon. Here is the full transcript:

    "When you call timeouts at the end of halves, you want to call them in succession if you can. If you’re calling them just hit or miss, there’s really no value in them. So just a little bit of history: When you start a drive from the 16-yard line, you have a 13 percent chance, probably, over the last five years to score a touchdown. And you have to take that into consideration when you go into the game. And then when a team’s driving, you’ve got to know what they have, and you’ve got to know what you have. They had two timeouts at the time, and we have three timeouts.

    Well, the normal thinking is you never want to leave the game with your three timeouts. You want to get them back, especially in those situations. But the fact of the matter is there was really no time to use the timeouts. And when you’re in a two-minute situation, if you use your timeouts, and there’s no way you can call them in succession, you give them more time on each and every play to get the people out there they want to get that play done. So you have to consider that.

    So really only the first time where I considered really calling a timeout was after Ray Rice had the 11-yard run to the 5-yard line. And he took that ball, probably, I think it was about at 1:16 when he had that ball. That was the first time. I was down there with the official. That was the first time. But when you put ... the numbers all together, if you call three timeouts right there in succession, you’re still only getting the ball back at 18 seconds, OK? If you let it run, they’re in a two-minute mode, OK? And now they’ve got to call two timeouts, so a couple things come into the play with their using their two timeouts.

    No. 1, they didn’t call a timeout on the first one, which means they had to call a play out of their two-minute package instead of using their red-zone package. So that’s No. 1. They didn’t call a timeout and get into different personnel groupings to call the play. And then by using their two timeouts, we knew what they had to do on third down. They had to throw it because there wasn’t enough time left to do anything else. So we cut the percentages in half from run to pass. And then there was just one big leap of faith. But if we call three timeouts in a row, we’ve got 19, 18 seconds left at the max. So the percentage of them scoring — it’s a leap of faith. I mean, they went all the way down the field. Three points, yes. Tie the game. Seven points, we’re talking 13 percent.

    "And then from an offensive standpoint, as a play-caller, I know if you call timeout, you can get what you want out there. If not, you’ve got a limited bag of plays you can use. So that’s the reasoning behind it. I would have loved to have been able to have a situation when they were running the ball and they started to get in that field goal area where we could have plugged the timeouts each one on top of each other, but it wasn’t the case."
    Particularly interesting:

    They didn’t call a timeout and get into different personnel groupings to call the play. And then by using their two timeouts, we knew what they had to do on third down. They had to throw it because there wasn’t enough time left to do anything else. So we cut the percentages in half from run to pass.
    1) We should have had a third timeout if it weren't for that horrible challenge and 2) we should have passed on 2nd down to leave both options on the table for 3rd down





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    I'm an alcoholic





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    I thought it was dumb at the time but his logic is pretty sound. Learn something new every day.





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    I'm so jealous. I wish we had bright, innovative coaches like that. Maybe we do, but they're on leashes of Harbaugh's arrested development as a coach.





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    "And then from an offensive standpoint, as a play-caller, I know..."

    What is a statement that we should never expect to hear from John Harbaugh, at least not in the foreseeable future, Alex?





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Looking back at it, Harbaugh might have been better served to call the timeout immediately following the first down, for organizational/ and situational purposes.
    "Please take with you this final sword, The Excellector. I am praying that your journey will be guided by the light", Leon Shore





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    It was brilliant because it worked. If the Ravens stay competent on offense for just one more play and score a TD in the last 30 seconds... or God forbid the final play with 7 seconds left... Trestman is a massive, massive idiot.

    The second down run on film is just brutal. Yanda pulls and they leave a big hole in the middle that somebody (forget who) shoots through. Shipley gets blown back. Clark tries to block, but also gets pushed back in to Rice, just as Rice tries to bounce it left. Monroe releases to hit someone at the second level (though he never touches anybody on the play). If Shipley just holds his ground and Dickson is in instead of Clark, Rice might have been able to get in off LT.

    The Monroe aspect of that play is astounding to me. You're in a mudpit, two yards from the goal line with a chance to flat out win the game. You're running the ball. How on earth do you just flat out NOT TOUCH ANYONE as an offensive lineman in that situation? And the Bears weren't worried about a pass... they were playing man on the three wides and basically stacking the box. If you're determined to run regardless, bring Dickson and Leach in to the game and take out Clark and Thompson.
    Last edited by Ravens2006; 11-19-2013 at 08:59 AM.





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleApocalypse37 View Post
    I'm so jealous. I wish we had bright, innovative coaches like that. Maybe we do, but they're on leashes of Harbaugh's arrested development as a coach.
    Bears fans wish they had a Super Bowl winning coach.





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    His explanation doesn't impress me at all. He should have called a timeout exactly where he said he was next to the ref and about to, after we made 1st and goal from the 5 yard line.





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Trestman waving away his chances of scoring a TD, in the short amount of time he would have had left had we scored after his first timeout is idiotic. Obviously no one is saying you should only call the timeout if it gives you a great chance to score a TD when you get the ball back. They are saying you call the timeout because it gives you some, any, chance to win if we score a TD. Which better than no chance at all.

    And the fact we got to third down without any timeouts and thereby made it obvious we had to pass, is simply our incompetence, nothing more. If he is relying on that to support his decision, that is a massive stretch. Had we thrown on either 1st or 2nd down (or both), without him knowing whether we were throwing or running, then the 3rd down limitation never happens.

    And of course, we could have scored on our first down play and left him only 20 seconds left instead of the 1:10 or so. Or the second down play with similar differences.

    The NFL odds of scoring a TD from 1st and goal from the 5 yard line is around 70%. Obviously with our inept offense it would be less, but still the odds are good.

    In short, there is no reason whatsoever we should have felt or been rushed in those circumstances, and therefore no reason Trestman should count on it or use it as a reason to refrain from calling a timeout. And there is no reason to simply throw away whatever little chance there would be of you scoring a TD after we scored a TD.

    Trestman's decision was not smart at all, imo.





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    His explanation doesn't impress me at all. He should have called a timeout exactly where he said he was next to the ref and about to, after we made 1st and goal from the 5 yard line.
    It makes sense if you consider that the Bears probably liked their chances against the run with no fullback, one non blocking TE (Clark) and 3 WRs in the game. They probably also liked their chances against the pass in a short area, since the Ravens don't show much ability to score from the pass deep in the red zone.

    Don't know if Trestman exactly said it, but I think he did, that he didn't want to give the Ravens a free chance to put their jumbo group out there.

    My thought is he liked his odds of defending against our 2 minute package inside a small area, better than he liked his goalline defense against our heavy package. So given the choice, he opted to keep his extra DBs on the field against our 3 wide personnel. At least that's what I took him to be saying.

    So in the end, that's just him measuring his odds based on his knowledge of his personnel, and not so much the amount of time left in the game. Sounds like he's glad we didn't call the TO at the 5 and put in our heavy package.





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    Re: Marc Trestman knows his crap

    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    Bears fans wish they had a Super Bowl winning coach.
    You're right. They wish they had Ditka back!





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