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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...



    I could not find the post to directly respond... .nonetheless, I think NFL is attempting to take out the "intimidation" factor out of the game. They are doing it in the name of player safety.... In reality, I think it is more to do with marketing as NFL has been striving to appeal to broader audience, such as women.

    Anyway, it reminded me of a quote from the "Little Giants" movie, "Football is 80% mental and 40% physical".

    Without that intimidation, offensive players are free to do whatever they want without that particular "fear". It just isn't fun to watch football when offensive players aren't afraid of defensive players. I mean... Ray Lewis leveled Keller a few years ago. On the fourth down, you could see Keller was so fearful of Ray Lewis that he actually ran out bound short of first down; thus, killed his team's drive late in the 4th quarter. (shit, that hit will probably be flagged under today's rule).

    Yea, football isn't as fun anymore.




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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    Quote Originally Posted by Random Thoughts View Post
    I completely agree with you about this.... it is ridiculous. The most ridiculous part is that, if a coach gets a third challenge if the coach wins two challenges in a game... This is monumental stupid as it forces coaches to be by far more judicial with their challenges...

    Regardless, I cannot for the life of me understand why NFL refuses to adopt NCAA's review style, especially with having an upstairs referee reviewing.
    This rule does sound like it came from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". You only get two times to tell us we are wrong before you get another. If we screwed up the first time, you do not get to keep the one for being right unless you catch us a second time. So we can be wrong once and you still may only get two chances to make us look like Replacement Refs if you are wrong the second time. Say what?
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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    All Dumervil had to do was not push McCown, the ball had gone and he knew because if it hadn't he would have drilled the guy. The push was cheap and a stupid move. He should know better.




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    Ngata has had 2 BS Calls against him so far this season. However I watch Flacco get hit after the throw and wonder why the NFL is not making the same call across the board. The NFL should make ALL 15 Yard Calls a Booth Review and FINE the REFS for wrong calls. These are GAME Changing calls that can steal a game by allowing 1st downs when the team was really held to a 4th down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BSHU View Post
    That no PI call tonight was pretty awful. Kuechly drove him back 5 yards to move him completely out of the way and didn't even attempt to look for the ball.
    At the least, it should of been defensive holding called.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens75 View Post
    ...The biggest issue with replay is that the head referee makes the final call which makes no sense when an independent ref. can give a more unbiased opinion. For all we know the refs may be judged for having a call overturned. I doubt it but you never know.
    Yep. And 98% of the time, an independent referee (i.e. not part of that on-field crew) upstairs could have made the correct call before the on-field ref has announced the stupid challenge to the crowd. Pet peeve / obsession of mine, and it will be until they fix it.




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    Here's a grab of Peppers slamming his right hand / arm in to Joe's facemask on one of his sacks yesterday... notice Steratore intently watching the whole play. And the still doesn't do it justice, but at full speed you can see Joe's head get whipped around... it was basically like a punch. Part of the problem I think is that Joe doesn't lobby enough. Brady and Brees put on a show that NOBODY misses whenever they're touched "harshly"... and I think it pays off later when they get big calls. Joe gets hit like Brees did half a dozen times every week, and never says a word.


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    Just when I thought the officiating couldn't get worse I see what happened to the niners and patriots. Talked about getting screwed. There's a lot of salt in SF and Boston today and deservedly so.




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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    Here's a grab of Peppers slamming his right hand / arm in to Joe's facemask on one of his sacks yesterday... notice Steratore intently watching the whole play. And the still doesn't do it justice, but at full speed you can see Joe's head get whipped around... it was basically like a punch. Part of the problem I think is that Joe doesn't lobby enough. Brady and Brees put on a show that NOBODY misses whenever they're touched "harshly"... and I think it pays off later when they get big calls. Joe gets hit like Brees did half a dozen times every week, and never says a word.


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    I'd like to see that on video. The rules change depending on if he's in the pocket or not. If Joe scrambled outside the pocket and there's inadvertent head contact, then there's no penalty.

    The fact there's no linemen anywhere in that shot tells me he's well outside the pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I'd like to see that on video. The rules change depending on if he's in the pocket or not. If Joe scrambled outside the pocket and there's inadvertent head contact, then there's no penalty. The fact there's no linemen anywhere in that shot tells me he's well outside the pocket.
    He was about as in-the-middle-of-the-pocket as you can be... The lack of linemen in the other shot is because it's a close-up, slo-mo...

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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    He was about as in-the-middle-of-the-pocket as you can be... The lack of linemen in the other shot is because it's a close-up, slo-mo...

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    Yep. Still want to see it in real time though.

    As long as Steratore calls it both ways, I don't want to see flags for the smallest of helmet touches.
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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Van Cleef View Post
    All Dumervil had to do was not push McCown, the ball had gone and he knew because if it hadn't he would have drilled the guy. The push was cheap and a stupid move. He should know better.
    Yeah, as far as I know this is a bright line letter of the rule issue. You can't extend your arms to shove the QB after the fact, because that's a new action. It's not the same thing as being unable to stop yourself and making contact, it's taking a whole new action to hit him after the pass. Maybe the rule is dumb, but the ref's call is accurate.




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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    Man, so much ground covered, a number of unrelated thing come to mind to add to different posters in this thread.

    Most popular sport needs parameter definition. Definitely true that Soccer stomps American Football in a number of ways including financially.
    Very surprising to learn that cricket also stomps it in viewing, but that is also adding in India's passion for the game and population many times as much as USA.

    Penalties, I would like to see Tony run a poll with 32 teams and the ability to vote for 3, as to what team gets the most favorable breaks. Not sure what teams would be second and third, but I would be shocked if the Patriots were not first by a considerable margin. I saw the Tuck rule established real time to give them help to a championship (Walt Coleman) and AFAIK Coleman has not worked a Raiders game since 2002 (thru 2010 that I could find) (we lost a tuck decision vs KC 1/2011, don't think that was Coleman)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Coleman
    On December 8, 2002 at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin, the Packers came from behind to defeat the Minnesota Vikings, 26-22, in a contest in which the league would later admit that Coleman and his crew made nine officiating errors
    2008 Steelers v. Ravens game..... With the Ravens leading 9–6 with less than 50 seconds left to play in the fourth quarter, Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes caught a 3-yard pass from quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and was ruled down just shy of the goal line. But after reviewing the play, Coleman overturned the call
    Mike Pereira himself would also later question a replay review by Coleman during a critical November 2009 mid-season contest between the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles for first place in the NFC East
    And there you have my guesses at what teams would win the fan's perception of most helped by the referees consistantly..... Patriots, Cowboys, Steelers, Packers and Walt Coleman at the center (walt Coleman who blew the call in the Lions loss to the Texans when he penalized Jim Schwartz for challenging in under 2 minutes -Thanksgiving 2012 and the missed call was not reviewed)


    Finally, with the integrity of the game.... as altruistic as anything sounds, it is about lawsuits and the cover-up the NFL did for years with concussions beyond cover-up.... deliberate mis-information in the opposite direction... they are protecting themselves, players get protection purely by accident.


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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    If you really want to get technical, refs could call penalties on every play of any game. There is always SOME contact on passing plays past the 5 yard chuck zone. There is also potentially holding by offensive lineman on every snap. So of course you end up with different crews with different interpretations of when flags should be thrown.

    Then you have subjective officiating like where Mike Carey got pissed off at the Ravens and threw about 11 flags in a row in Detroit and made up the rules as he went along. That happens a lot more than we can comprehend. Certain players like Suh have a bulls eye on their jersey when it comes to refs, and certain QB's (Brady) get preferential treatment when it comes to someone breathing on them. (See last night's replay of Brady getting a roughing call when someone accidentally touched his helmet).




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    Re: Officiating has made this game virtually unwatchable...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenboy2003 View Post
    If you really want to get technical, refs could call penalties on every play of any game. There is always SOME contact on passing plays past the 5 yard chuck zone. There is also potentially holding by offensive lineman on every snap. So of course you end up with different crews with different interpretations of when flags should be thrown.

    Then you have subjective officiating like where Mike Carey got pissed off at the Ravens and threw about 11 flags in a row in Detroit and made up the rules as he went along. That happens a lot more than we can comprehend. Certain players like Suh have a bulls eye on their jersey when it comes to refs, and certain QB's (Brady) get preferential treatment when it comes to someone breathing on them. (See last night's replay of Brady getting a roughing call when someone accidentally touched his helmet).
    So true....
    in an extention of what you are saying, there is a ton of room for Tim Donaghy to exist in the NFL... so far in out anger we are putting it off to incompentence as opposed to agenda.... people with an agenda probably hide it better.... the only games I really enjoy watching are the ones where I don't give a crap who wins... if I have a favorite then a lot of times the officials become more important than the players as to who wins (except in blow-outs)
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