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    OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?



    The Falcons are moving forward on a largely public funded new $1.2B stadium to open in 2017. It replaces the GA Dome, owned by the Georgia World Congress Center and built in 1992.

    http://www.atlantadailyworld.com/201...to-1-2-billion

    In a shocker yesterday, the Braves announced that they are leaving Turner Field in downtown Atlanta and relocating to Cobb County for another largely publicly funded stadium in 2017. (Think leaving M&T for Harford County). The reasons they cited were transportation issues, not having the control they wished over the development of the neighborhood, and moving closer to their fanbase in the northern suburbs. Turner Field was built in 1996 for the Olympics and the Braves began play there in 1997.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybro...rk-in-cobb-co/

    Granted, Atlanta has a long history of just knocking things down in the name of progress (as well as a southern legacy of race and class coloring most public policy), but how do you think this affects the sports landscape - especially in Baltimore? Both facitlities are close contemporaries age wise to M&T and OPACY. One of the Braves major reasons for leaving was a heat map that showed ticket sales for their fanbase being largely concentrated in the suburbs and them wanting to move closer to them to "improve the fan experience". (I'd be interested in a similar heat map for the Ravens & Os and where the majority of ticket buyers/season ticket holders come from.) Down the block, Arthur Blank lobbied that a new facility is necessary to keep pace with his competitors and also lure big name events (read: Super Bowl, SEC Championship, CFA Bowl, MLS etc.) to the area. Do you think the Atlanta situation could be a tipping point for decreasing the life of stadiums to 20 years (of which both of Baltimores are in that range). How would you feel if Biscotti or Angelos asked for new buildings by 2020 or stayed in MD but moved out of Baltimore City? Something tells me Atlanta is the canary in the mineshaft of a new wave of pro stadiums...
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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    I heard about this yesterday. It's crazy how after less than 20 years they just decide to move out and get a new stadium. Taxpayers in Atlanta are quite generous. I guess the Braves making the playoffs 17 out of the last 23 years buys them a lot of political capital




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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    Ooops, I thought this thread was about Matt Ryan's slump without his two elite wide receivers who catch his jumpballs.




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    I don't see any way the Orioles move out of Camden Yards. Its still one of the gems of the baseball world and its in such a historically important area of baseball history, with all the Babe Ruth connections.

    M&T Bank most likely won't move, but you never know.




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    This is sheer lunacy. And while the system is often abused, I'm far from a reactionary type who opposes any and all funding for stadium in every single circumstance.

    Neither of the Atlanta stadiums need to be replaced. If Turner Field were a person, it couldn't even vote. The Georgia Dome would just be able to legally purchase alcohol.

    Both are modern, with plenty of luxury box and club seating, and fan amenities. Both have received upgrades over the years to keep up with the times.

    Mind you, there are few stadiums in both sports that do actually need replacing. Notably Oakland (for both baseball and football) and San Diego (for football). One could make the argument for Tampa Bay for baseball as well, but that's mostly because of the ugly concrete dome exterior of the Trop and its poor location far from the center of the Tampa Bay metro area. From what I've heard though the stadium itself is serviceable and modern enough, albeit uninspiring.

    People are talking about wanting to replace the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis and Fed Ex Field in Wash--err, Landover. But both of those stadiums are less than 20 years old as well. It just seems like a huge waste to me. I do know the LOLskins want to move back to DC proper, and the Rams have been rumored to head back to LA, so there's that.

    And no, I don't foresee either the Ravens or Orioles either wanting or needing to replace their respective stadiums. Both are terrific places to watch games with a prime location and plenty of modern amenities.
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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    Quote Originally Posted by pslholder96 View Post
    I heard about this yesterday. It's crazy how after less than 20 years they just decide to move out and get a new stadium. Taxpayers in Atlanta are quite generous. I guess the Braves making the playoffs 17 out of the last 23 years buys them a lot of political capital
    Really, despite their success, the Braves are middle of the pack in MLB attendance. I've gone to the Ted to see them play the Orioles everytime they're here in interleague play and it's a good facility (think a larger Camden Yards). The problem is the transient nature of Atlanta, team apathy of the success, traffic and suburban attitudes about the City of Atlanta and the neighborhoods. They kept the move quiet to appease political allies given the Falcons fiasco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 404Blackbird View Post
    Really, despite their success, the Braves are middle of the pack in MLB attendance. I've gone to the Ted to see them play the Orioles everytime they're here in interleague play and it's a good facility (think a larger Camden Yards). The problem is the transient nature of Atlanta, team apathy of the success, traffic and suburban attitudes about the City of Atlanta and the neighborhoods. They kept the move quiet to appease political allies given the Falcons fiasco.
    Ironically, the location the Braves want to move to is just as bad a traffic nightmare as the area around Turner Field. So I don't see how they'd be gaining anything in that respect.




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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    Just because taxpayers in one area are willing to fund endless projects doesn't mean they will in other areas. Look at the issues the Vikings had and they were in a stadium where the roof collapsed. The Raiders play in an ancient dump of a stadium and can't get one of these sweet public deals. The taxpayers in Atlanta are not the norm.
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    I am in Atl a lot including now. Up 400 from Buckhead to Alpharetta area is where all the big money is now. It's become a small Silicon Valley or N Va area.

    These are the fans and most don't want to go into the gridlock to get downtown.


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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Just because taxpayers in one area are willing to fund endless projects doesn't mean they will in other areas. Look at the issues the Vikings had and they were in a stadium where the roof collapsed. The Raiders play in an ancient dump of a stadium and can't get one of these sweet public deals. The taxpayers in Atlanta are not the norm.
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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I am in Atl a lot including now. Up 400 from Buckhead to Alpharetta area is where all the big money is now. It's become a small Silicon Valley or N Va area.

    These are the fans and most don't want to go into the gridlock to get downtown.


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    Interesting.

    My wife turned down a job with the CDC down there a few years ago. We visited Atlanta, but didn't particularly care for it.
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    Re: OT - Is Anyone Following What's Happening in Atlanta?

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Interesting.

    My wife turned down a job with the CDC down there a few years ago. We visited Atlanta, but didn't particularly care for it.
    No one does. Currently fans go to the game on MARTA or driving and then they immediately leave and go home. There is no revenue form hotels, restaurants and the like. Their plan on the new stadium is to make it a destination where people will stay and spend money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    No one does. Currently fans go to the game on MARTA or driving and then they immediately leave and go home. There is no revenue form hotels, restaurants and the like. Their plan on the new stadium is to make it a destination where people will stay and spend money
    Lived there for 7 years and where they want to put the new stadium will be an absolute nightmare on traffic. It's beyond crazy now and has been since the late 90s... I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Lived there for 7 years and where they want to put the new stadium will be an absolute nightmare on traffic. It's beyond crazy now and has been since the late 90s... I don't get it.
    I agree that it's a bad location. They say they're going to build out infrastructure and make it easier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    No one does. Currently fans go to the game on MARTA or driving and then they immediately leave and go home. There is no revenue form hotels, restaurants and the like. Their plan on the new stadium is to make it a destination where people will stay and spend money
    That's their plan. Whether or not it becomes a destination outside of its utility as a ballpark is a whole other story. They'll need private investors (i.e. businesses) wanting to move in, and we're talking about a ground up operation because it's in the suburbs. We're not talking about it being downtown with organic infrastructure already existing at the time the stadium is built (which is what the case was with Baltimore). We're talking about a vacant lot being built up to mimic a downtown like atmosphere, except it's in the suburbs and surrounded by concrete parking lots. Those type of developments are often either boom or bust.

    It does make a little more sense for a baseball team (with 81+ home games) than a football team (with only 10+ home games), but still, there's a lot of risk to the businesses given the off-season and off-days.

    I still can't get over the fact that they'll be tearing down a 21 year old stadium with every modern amenity and bell and whistle just so they can build a new stadium with all the same modern amenities and bells and whistles, except with a $450 million bill to the public. Some sports teams need new stadiums. The Braves (and Falcons for that matter) do not.




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