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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field



    Fuck the defense. When you put that much time, money and effort into one side of the ball, it should not be getting dicked by Pittsburgh running the fucking wildcat, and............as a matter of fact, YEAH, since when does a Ravens defense fall for the FUCKING WILDCAT?!! And Cleveland.
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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Fuck the defense. When you put that much time, money and effort into one side of the ball, it should not be getting dicked by Pittsburgh running the fucking wildcat, and............as a matter of fact, YEAH, since when does a Ravens defense fall for the FUCKING WILDCAT?!! And Cleveland.
    I remember when the wildcat was all the rage across the NFL. It was largely successful, except when it faced the Ravens defense...not anymore.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    The only two people that I could possibly think of that drop as many passes as Ed Dickson........are Davone Bess and Greg Little. Wouldn't you know it they play the Ravens and find their hands.

    And oh, hang on, I think my dog just dug up Webb's ankle in the backyard.
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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Hell we could have Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor and Deion Sanders in their primes, and Pees would drop White and Taylor into coverage and have Deion playing 10 yards off the LOS using bail technique.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    They got absolutely punked...completely neutered on that last drive.

    I never thought I'd see a day where the Browns served the defense like that.

    With the game on the line, they didn't just allow a first down or 2...or a situation like Green Bay where we just knew one first down would end it.

    They walked this defense down, embarrassed them for the final 6 and a half minutes.

    THEY GOT SERVED BY JASON CAMPBELL, CHRIS OGBYANA, WILLIS MCGAHEE AND DEVONNE BESS...FOR ALMOST SEVEN MINUTES WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE!

    That "great" DL that we were so amped about could pressure Campbell, much less sack him, the secondary is probably the softest I've seen since 2007 and couldn't break up any of those crucial passes, and once again, this defense sucks forcing turnovers.

    But I'm sure someone will try and tell me how great they are based on bogus rankings and how since we haven't gotten blown out, we aren't bad...


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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    There are certain teams that you just aren't supposed to give up 24 points to. The Cleveland Browns, their non-existent running game, drop happy receivers and damn near third string QB, are one of those teams.
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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Is it the players or Pees. I'm not convinced it's the players. When we rush 4 over and over again the OL can figure out what to do to keep their QB clean. Campbell had all day and when he ran where were the LB's? It appears as though, with everyone he let go, that Ozzie wants to take the year off. I think I will too. Perhaps he knew it would take us a year or so to re-group and achieve organization. The DL is only powerful in our minds. The Browns found our four man rush pathetic and easy to handle. The secondary is confused. At times receivers are wide open with a Raven no where in sight. Maybe the schemes are too hard to comprehend. Maybe Webb needs to be re-examined. At best we have had glimpses of superiority. The players sound good when I hear the names. Maybe it is Pees. I think if we had Pagano we would be better. IMO




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    Super Bowl hangover.....plain and simple.
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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    There are certain teams that you just aren't supposed to give up 24 points to. The Cleveland Browns, their non-existent running game, drop happy receivers and damn near third string QB, are one of those teams.
    When 7 of them come after your punt returner gives them the ball inside the 10, it isn't so bad. Campbell actually looks pretty good. And he did last week when he scored 17 against the top-ranked scoring defense in the league, KC (12.3 PPG), on the road.

    Of course the Chiefs didn't fumble a punt on their own 10 yard line. And they scored 23 points. They also have a much better offense than we do. Much better.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by Bawlamer View Post
    Is it the players or Pees. I'm not convinced it's the players. When we rush 4 over and over again the OL can figure out what to do to keep their QB clean. Campbell had all day and when he ran where were the LB's? It appears as though, with everyone he let go, that Ozzie wants to take the year off. I think I will too. Perhaps he knew it would take us a year or so to re-group and achieve organization. The DL is only powerful in our minds. The Browns found our four man rush pathetic and easy to handle. The secondary is confused. At times receivers are wide open with a Raven no where in sight. Maybe the schemes are too hard to comprehend. Maybe Webb needs to be re-examined. At best we have had glimpses of superiority. The players sound good when I hear the names. Maybe it is Pees. I think if we had Pagano we would be better. IMO
    Webb has been disappointing for quite a few games now. Now, that may be because we keep playing these soft zones. It is probably a combination of both him and the play calling. There is no question that this team would be better off with Pagano, but that's why he's now a head coach and a pretty good one at that. We saw Jason Campbell make a good play on that 4th and short play where Pees definitely made the right call. We just couldn't keep him from escaping the pocket.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by Terpsfan82 View Post
    Hell we could have Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor and Deion Sanders in their primes, and Pees would drop White and Taylor into coverage and have Deion playing 10 yards off the LOS using bail technique.
    Well said, nothing Pees is doing should surprise anyone; this is who he is and I've been consistently on his butt since last year. We entrusted our D to a guy that wasn't good enough to be the Patriots DC.

    I felt for Dumervill when he signed 'cause of Pees. He, A. Thomas, and Suggs, can start a self-help group of wasted skills.

    What next, he'll drop Dumervill into coverage, yeah, like I'd buy that.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    When 7 of them come after your punt returner gives them the ball inside the 10, it isn't so bad. Campbell actually looks pretty good. And he did last week when he scored 17 against the top-ranked scoring defense in the league, KC (12.3 PPG), on the road.

    Of course the Chiefs didn't fumble a punt on their own 10 yard line. And they scored 23 points. They also have a much better offense than we do. Much better.
    Much better is a bit of a stretch, IMO. They have a much better running game, but I'd say our passing game is better than theirs. They also failed to score an offensive TD today against the Bills.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    They got absolutely punked...completely neutered on that last drive.

    I never thought I'd see a day where the Browns served the defense like that.

    With the game on the line, they didn't just allow a first down or 2...or a situation like Green Bay where we just knew one first down would end it.

    They walked this defense down, embarrassed them for the final 6 and a half minutes.

    THEY GOT SERVED BY JASON CAMPBELL, CHRIS OGBYANA, WILLIS MCGAHEE AND DEVONNE BESS...FOR ALMOST SEVEN MINUTES WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE!

    That "great" DL that we were so amped about could pressure Campbell, much less sack him, the secondary is probably the softest I've seen since 2007 and couldn't break up any of those crucial passes, and once again, this defense sucks forcing turnovers.

    But I'm sure someone will try and tell me how great they are based on bogus rankings and how since we haven't gotten blown out, we aren't bad...


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    They stopped trying after they allowed that 4th and 1 conversion.

    The simple fact is, our defense is not good enough to carry our bottom-quintile offense. That much is obvious. But since one would need a top-quintile defense to do that, it doesn't tell us much about where our defense stands (except that it isn't good).

    The defense held the Browns with 10 minutes left in the game. Did the offense chew 7-8 minutes off the clock and go down and take a 25-21 lead? Of course not; it wasted 4 minutes going 26 yards then punted it 25 yards.

    The defense is average, the offense is an abomination.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Quote Originally Posted by BSHU View Post
    Much better is a bit of a stretch, IMO. They have a much better running game, but I'd say our passing game is better than theirs. They also failed to score an offensive TD today against the Bills.
    If you ignore all the passing we do against prevent defenses, down by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter, their pass offense is better than ours.




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    Re: In clutch defense can't get off field

    Pees got:
    1st round pick
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    3rd round pick
    Dumerville
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    Huff

    Joe has:
    C: 4th round, small school weakling bust, with "No One" behind him
    LG: that's where "No One" is currently playing
    RG: a zombie who looks a lot like Marshall Yanda
    WR: a 2nd round pick, a 4th rounder, a couple UDFAs, and an FA
    TE: a titanic bust and an antique
    RB: a pair of statues; one taller than the other




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