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    Re: Dolphins tackle leaves team over prank



    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/j...too-far-110113

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    How do you bully a 6'5", 320 lb man exactly?
    Psychologically or emotionally, or if you're Bryant Mckinnie you can just sit on him. It's probably Mckinnie's fault.




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    Dolphins tackle leaves team over prank

    I don't agree with that article that Scally linked to.

    There's a difference between good natured hazing and bullying.

    If he flipped out over a few pranks that all players receive as a rookie, that tells me he has more issues than the average player. This warrants it's own examination and should be dealt with separately from the normal hazing that goes on. Nothing I've read thus far tells me he was bullied and the pranks seem very pedestrian. Granted, he isn't a rookie so he's earned rite of passage.

    Also, he has an obligation to speak up. Hard to change the dynamic if nobody knows that it's bothering you.

    Think back to Hard Knocks with the Ravens. Rookies had to sing their college fight songs on demand, carry around others players equipment, etc. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

    Can you imagine Todd Heap storming out of Westminster after being told he had to sing the ASU fight song?
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    If you watched Hard Knocks though, there was some of the stuff Ayanbedejo described, when it came to rookies who didn't voluntarily do the hazing stuff. At least two guys were wrapped and dumped in an ice tub. One guy was tied to a goal post and sprayed down with water. Now, i do agree with you about the stuff like the rookie talent show and carrying pads being nothing bad, and if a guy refuses to do that stuff, it's a show of disrespect and that should be dealt with in come way. Just pointing out that some of that heavier stuff does go on. Not sure I totally agree with BA's line of thinking on the hazing becoming mob mentality.

    What I agreed with is the notion that it becomes very difficult for a player to speak up and admit they need help or try to tell their teammates that the hazing/joking stuff is making them uncomfortable. Yes, I do agree the player has to say something, but how easy is it for that player to come forward without fear of further retribution? There's many angles to look at that from too. There could be stigma carried with saying something, like now you are ostracized from your teammates, who view you as "that guy who gets upset too easily". There could be stigma from the coaching staff that you aren't going to be able to hold up on the field, and thus your job is now in jeopardy.

    I'd hope that in time, those stigma/fears subside, but from my perspective, I can see why it's be intimidating to have a problem with the way you are being treated, and why you may hesitate to say something and "blow the whistle"
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    Re: Dolphins tackle leaves team over prank

    Well, I think that's a legitimate concern for a coach. If you cannot take well intended ribbing and hazing, how can a coach expect you to withstand the rigors of a football season?

    That said, things can go too far and not have a positive impact on the team / player.

    I'm not a fan of the reactionary nature about this story. Seems as though people are too quick to call this "bullying" when we don't really know the full story.
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    There has to be more to it. Maybe he's having problems at home or some other issues. Remember he was slated to replace Long at LT and was effectively demoted for McKinnie so that could be a piece also.

    Just seems that if this was brewing for a while, someone would've noticed and everyone seems to say they didn't know anything.
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    According to PFT, the situation is becoming more strange by the day. Apparently he won't return to the locker room “unless the situation changes drastically in the Dolphins locker room.” The article stated that the NFLPA was going to do an investigation, but now they are not. I am a woman, so I am confused by all of this. Please explain to me what exactly is going on here? Can't you just get dressed in your uniform and go about your business? Everyone at work doesn't necessarily have to be your BFF. Please explain.




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    Re: Dolphins tackle leaves team over prank

    Multiple people reporting Richie incognito is the ring leader




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Multiple people reporting Richie incognito is the ring leader
    And I am not shocked one bit.
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    Check out @adamhbeasley on twitter.

    Allegedly this is stemming from the vets forcing the young guys to pay significant coin for the vets meals and even trips.

    Martin supposedly had to kick out 15k for the offensive lineman to take a trip on which he never intended to or actually went on.

    Another rookie...or rookies...got handed a 30k tab for a team dinner...and the way it was worded, this was or were rookies that made the min...he's retweeted a Dolphins player and apparently restaurant or team employee who saw the bill a couple days ago.

    I know our guys have to pay for food for their position groups on trips before games, but it's places like Popeyes and I can't imagine it costing more than a few hundred bucks as opposed to $15-30k.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenwoman View Post
    According to PFT, the situation is becoming more strange by the day. Apparently he won't return to the locker room “unless the situation changes drastically in the Dolphins locker room.” The article stated that the NFLPA was going to do an investigation, but now they are not. I am a woman, so I am confused by all of this. Please explain to me what exactly is going on here? Can't you just get dressed in your uniform and go about your business? Everyone at work doesn't necessarily have to be your BFF. Please explain.
    Guys run their mouths and talk shit in the locker room. More often than not there are a few guys who get razzed a lot more than anyone else. This goes on in high school, so I guarantee it happens in the pros. Just kind of the atmosphere of a locker room.

    You have to have thick skin in a locker room. Can't show weakness and you can't let your feelings get hurt easily.

    There was this kid on my college team who was a junior when I was a freshman. He really thought picking on me was a blasty blast. Guess he didn't like the way my face looked. He'd throw my socks and shit in the showers while guys were in there showering. He'd take my cleats out on the field before practice so is have to walk out to the field in flip flops and put my cleats on. Just a lot of dumb stuff like that. It pissed me off quite a bit after a few weeks of it, so one practice (he was a receiver and I played safety/linebacker) he went up for a ball and I pulled a Brandon Merriweather on his ass while he was mid air.

    The point of that is the only real way to earn respect in a locker room is to earn it on the field.

    Martin has been a huge disappointment for Miami. His inability to deal with being razzed/picked on only compounds it.

    As long as he is a Miami Dolphin, he will never have their respect now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    Multiple people reporting Richie incognito is the ring leader
    No surprise there. He is a grade-a piece of shit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Guys run their mouths and talk shit in the locker room. More often than not there are a few guys who get razzed a lot more than anyone else. This goes on in high school, so I guarantee it happens in the pros. Just kind of the atmosphere of a locker room.

    You have to have thick skin in a locker room. Can't show weakness and you can't let your feelings get hurt easily.

    There was this kid on my college team who was a junior when I was a freshman. He really thought picking on me was a blasty blast. Guess he didn't like the way my face looked. He'd throw my socks and shit in the showers while guys were in there showering. He'd take my cleats out on the field before practice so is have to walk out to the field in flip flops and put my cleats on. Just a lot of dumb stuff like that. It pissed me off quite a bit after a few weeks of it, so one practice (he was a receiver and I played safety/linebacker) he went up for a ball and I pulled a Brandon Merriweather on his ass while he was mid air.

    The point of that is the only real way to earn respect in a locker room is to earn it on the field.

    Martin has been a huge disappointment for Miami. His inability to deal with being razzed/picked on only compounds it.

    As long as he is a Miami Dolphin, he will never have their respect now.


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    It's way more than that.

    They are making rookies basically pay for their lifestyle...allegedly.

    Who makes a guy pay for his position groups vacation that he doesn't even go on?

    Who sticks rookies with an entire team dinner that rings up to 30k?

    That's way beyond the norm if this is true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    It's way more than that.

    They are making rookies basically pay for their lifestyle...allegedly.

    Who makes a guy pay for his position groups vacation that he doesn't even go on?

    Who sticks rookies with an entire team dinner that rings up to 30k?

    That's way beyond the norm if this is true.


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    Dinner bills aren't totally out of the ordinary. Though 30k is crazy.

    They don't have to pay those bills though. They have to know that is a possibility every time they go out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Dinner bills aren't totally out of the ordinary. Though 30k is crazy.

    They don't have to pay those bills though. They have to know that is a possibility every time they go out.


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    Of course they aren't necessarily out of the ordinary.

    But usually it's a small position group and running up a bill anywhere near that amount is beyond ridiculous.

    For a minimum rookie...which basically are almost all rookies 3rd round and below, a bill like that would be equivalent to a guy making $50k a year having to foot a $1500 bill for his fellow employees.

    And you know they feel pressure to pay for it or they wouldn't do it. Whether it's retribution or flat out feeling like you aren't a part of the team if you do those things...it's beyond dumb and that doesn't happen everywhere. Hell, the Ravens get the rookies to pay for a couple buckets of chicken...likely less than $60 bucks.

    Why should a guy feel pressured to pay $15k for a trip he has no intentions on going?

    And it's not just Martin feeling this way. In a way, making people aware of this is a good thing IMHO.

    It's one thing to take some ribbing, to carry pads, to buy a couple buckets of fast food chicken.

    It's another thing when you are taking potential savings for a guy so vets can have as much lobster and shrimp as they want for an hour.



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