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    Re: Obama Knew Millions Would Lose Coverage



    As for the thread's title - of course he knew. We sure knew it.

    Jon and I posted this hundreds of times during the debates in this forum. Then
    OBY came out and said they made a mistake with and we would have to be taxed.

    We said that from the beginning.




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    I just don't see them getting the number of young, healthy buyers that they're looking for.

    The old timers are going to use a butt load of insurance funds like they did before and it is still going to throw it all out of whack.


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    Re: Obama Knew Millions Would Lose Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I just don't see them getting the number of young, healthy buyers that they're looking for.

    The old timers are going to use a butt load of insurance funds like they did before and it is still going to throw it all out of whack.
    The end game is to get people off of their employment plans and into the government plan.

    By hook or crook, if necessary.
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    Im going to leave the dems and the media out of this for just a second and call it how I see it: Republicans are screwing themselves up with this whole thing when they should have a slam dunk...theyve had 3 years to have a comprehensive plan to replace ACA with and heavily promote it. They didnt take the "replace" part seriously enough to balance the repeal part. Had they done that, Romney would probably be sitting in the White House right now. They just dont have a clear, well detailed plan that they are all on board with like they do other things like tax cuts, keystone, gun-rights, etc. There is nothing stopping them from investing in ads to promote their plan, talking about it on all the major networks, etc especially with the amount of fundraising money they are taking in. Some of them talk about just letting each of the states figure it out, that's part of what got us in this mess in the first place especially since the Fed would be still involved in health care due to Medicare & Medicaid. They need to pick a side and run with it if theyre going to win in 2014 & 2016. IMO if they want it to be a states issue, put pressure on THOSE states with the huge amount of uninsured (ex: Texas, Florida) to come up with solid plans and use it as a template for the rest of the states to follow while heavily reforming Medicare/Medicaid. The thing to keep in mind is were damned if we do and damned if we dont at this point with healthcare regardless if ACA dies since folks will still get sick and many healthy (for now) people wont bother to buy insurance while making lifestyle choices that will cause a ton of money in health costs in the future (smoking, drinking too much, obesity, etc). The issues that arise from these things are debilitating and dont kill you right away while people live longer so there ya go.




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    Great suggestion but Rove and his boys aren't that advanced or smart enough to organize like you mention. Besides, they need the conservative base which they completely alienated to do that. They haven't voted in the last two presidential elections which is how OBY won.

    As far as the states, it was the states that brought the appeal to SCOTUS and while it was a victory for O BUMMER CARE people forget that Roberts also ruled that that States wouldn't be required to kick in their part after 4 yrs I think it is.

    The Feds pay for it all the first 4 years or so but then the states have to flip a large part. Not sure how much but the decision says they don't have to participate at all.

    That's why the states that brought the suit say they won.

    That's when the train wrecks occurs if it hasn't already because then the Feds will have to fund it all which means more taxes and more debt for us.

    I posted links that Medicare and Medicade take up half of the national debt. Ryan tried to do something about it but was crucified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    My question is, where are all the defenders of the law and people blaming the GOP for their shenanigans around Obamacare now that this little tid bit is out?
    On some other sites, and in spite of the exact quotes pasted below, they are insisting that the President did not lie. It's either the insurance companies fault, or we all misunderstood. In all fairness to the President, he may not have intentionally lied; he didn't know/undersatnd any better than anyone else exctly what was in the ACA.

    "That means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”



    – President Obama, speech to the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009



    “And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”



    – Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010




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    Re: Obama Knew Millions Would Lose Coverage

    Dr. Krauthammer simply nails it ....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...b78_story.html
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    Re: Obama Knew Millions Would Lose Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Dr. Krauthammer simply nails it ....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...b78_story.html
    I don't always agree with him, but when he's right, he's more right than just about anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I just don't see them getting the number of young, healthy buyers that they're looking for.

    The old timers are going to use a butt load of insurance funds like they did before and it is still going to throw it all out of whack.


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    I am one of the healthy, "young ish" people they covet. I will be paying the fine, until my "family planning" reaches a tipping point and My wife and I decide to have a baby. I will do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the law tries to force me to do. Screw it, I will milk the system.. I won't sign up until I'm a taker, and not a giver. 1% of my income sucks, but it's way better then paying $5k or more for a plan that has a deductible so high that it would stand ZERO chance of covering ANY of my healthcare. I think my out of pocket expenses for my last 12+ years of being uninsured has been roughly $1k.
    If they had actual catastrophic only plans that had $1k or larger PER INCIDENT deductibles, and premiums well south of $100 a month, I might actually sign up. But that kind of insurance has been outlawed, as my healthy ass wouldn't pay for enough takers that way.




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    Re: Obama Knew Millions Would Lose Coverage

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I am one of the healthy, "young ish" people they covet. I will be paying the fine, until my "family planning" reaches a tipping point and My wife and I decide to have a baby. I will do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the law tries to force me to do. Screw it, I will milk the system.. I won't sign up until I'm a taker, and not a giver. 1% of my income sucks, but it's way better then paying $5k or more for a plan that has a deductible so high that it would stand ZERO chance of covering ANY of my healthcare. I think my out of pocket expenses for my last 12+ years of being uninsured has been roughly $1k.
    If they had actual catastrophic only plans that had $1k or larger PER INCIDENT deductibles, and premiums well south of $100 a month, I might actually sign up. But that kind of insurance has been outlawed, as my healthy ass wouldn't pay for enough takers that way.
    If it wasn't offered through work I would do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I am one of the healthy, "young ish" people they covet. I will be paying the fine, until my "family planning" reaches a tipping point and My wife and I decide to have a baby. I will do the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the law tries to force me to do. Screw it, I will milk the system.. I won't sign up until I'm a taker, and not a giver. 1% of my income sucks, but it's way better then paying $5k or more for a plan that has a deductible so high that it would stand ZERO chance of covering ANY of my healthcare. I think my out of pocket expenses for my last 12+ years of being uninsured has been roughly $1k.
    If they had actual catastrophic only plans that had $1k or larger PER INCIDENT deductibles, and premiums well south of $100 a month, I might actually sign up. But that kind of insurance has been outlawed, as my healthy ass wouldn't pay for enough takers that way.
    Wait til you're older and unhealthy. I was strong and healthy a your age. I'm still strong and work out in the gym (push 300 lbs on leg weights and do 20 reps @ 150 lbs) and swim 2 miles every day. I didn't go to a doctor from 25 til 38. Doc's office lost my records because it was so long. EVen now Ive spent very little in the dentist office my entire life as dentist said I have strong teeth. Then at 50 it happened and I got sick. At 57 I came within 3 days of dying from an infection after breaking my leg in 3 places.

    Things change when you get older.


    I've always paid for my plan offered at work and now on pension and it's one of the best plans in existence. I pay $100 pr mo for it but when I needed an inhaler and it cost $400 Aetna paid all but $10 of it so that's 4 months payments I got back there.

    I was in hospital for 4 days last month and had a small dedcutable. Bill came
    to $4,000 for 4 days. I paid the deductable and said thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Wait til you're older and unhealthy. I was strong and healthy a your age. I'm still strong and work out in the gym (push 300 lbs on leg weights and do 20 reps @ 150 lbs) and swim 2 miles every day. I didn't go to a doctor from 25 til 38. Doc's office lost my records because it was so long. EVen now Ive spent very little in the dentist office my entire life as dentist said I have strong teeth. Then at 50 it happened and I got sick. At 57 I came within 3 days of dying from an infection after breaking my leg in 3 places.

    Things change when you get older.


    I've always paid for my plan offered at work and now on pension and it's one of the best plans in existence. I pay $100 pr mo for it but when I needed an inhaler and it cost $400 Aetna paid all but $10 of it so that's 4 months payments I got back there.

    I was in hospital for 4 days last month and had a small dedcutable. Bill came
    to $4,000 for 4 days. I paid the deductable and said thank you very much.
    I always planned on having Health insurance then, when it matters. Hope I have the option of a plan like yours when i need it. As I said before, was planning to buy insurance before knocking the old lady up... Childbirth is certainly expensive as well.




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    Thanks. My dad always said you need good insurance and credit to survive but that plan changes when I go on medicare.

    Aetna will be $124 pr mo as backup and Meidcare will cost $111 pr mo. I
    said, I started off paying $80 pr mo when I retired 10 yrs ago. Taxes haven't increased that much even after OBY taking over.

    Besides the great plan I have, I got 80% of my high grade and with the colas and now Soc Sec, I'm making more than I retired. I usually spend the winters in my condo in Florida but my mom is in an assistive living place and I hate to leave her that long. I used to take her with me. My sis and I are the only ones that visit her. Im taking her to church tomorrow.

    OBY is right so far as to keeping my plan. O BUMMER CARE kicks in January but I got the brochures and the FEds kept the cost under 3%. I get another cola after the 3% is taken out so I'm still in good shape.

    Great posts JOn and I miss Galen and the good old days arguing with him since HR, um, elevated the forum.




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    I think after his apology id tend to agree with the poster that said he unknowingly misled, not full out lied. ACA is directly attached to his name but i dont think hes as closely tied to the actual law making process as much as that would seem. Hopefully he stands by his claims that theyre working on a solution, which I would think would entail actually "grandfathering" those plans and not making them conform in any way, if its not too late. I know his "apology" is going to go on deaf ears with a lot of people, but i think this speaks to the problem that congress had. They didnt work together at all and a lot of these things could have been worked out once it was acknowledged that it was going to be a law regardless. Its still pretty evident nobody is working for the people.

    Kind of reminds me of the Bailout when all those bankers gave themselves huge bonuses with that money. I saw an interview or documentary with the guy behind the bailout (obamas, and i cant remember his name) and when asked that question he basically said "we didnt think about it". As bad as congress is, and maybe as common sense as it would be to put something in writing that the shady bankers cant be shady with the bailout money, sometimes little things like that go missed because you just assume when savings somebodys ass they wont screw you over. A big law like ACA, its not surprising in the least that what they wanted vs what the law allows can be two different things. I fall back on Obamas own words that the law isnt where he wanted it to be, but like other laws once its in place its easier to amend the problems.

    or maybe its easier for congress just to work for the people and give us the best possible solutions to our problems, but thats probably asking too much for either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    ....or maybe its easier for congress just to work for the people and give us the best possible solutions to our problems, but that's probably asking too much for either side.
    Maybe...sort of like asking the government to stay out of peoples' lives and stop creating problems where none exist.




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