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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond



    Fiedorowicz is my favorite TE in this crop, which is pretty crappy.

    He isn't flashy and he doesn't have a lot of upside, but I think you are getting a good starting TE that can be a possession guy and a threat in the red zone (he is. 6'7"). For a collegiate player, he is pretty polished and like you said, Kirk Ferentz knows how to develop blockers.


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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond

    1. TE
    2. C
    3. FS

    Fourth would be WR, but I think that Marlon Brown can eventually be really good, and we have a host of other players who are developing nicely.

    At TE, I probably like Jace Amaro the best, but if Pitta is retained, I don't see the point in drafting him, he is essentially the same type of player as Pitta. He doesn't really block in Techs' offense, they use him out wide or in the slot. The guy I'd really like to see is Wickeds guy, CJ Fiedorowicz. This monster looks like a speedy right tackle who can catch really well. He has immense strength, and is a very reliable blocker, and hes exactly what we're missing at TE right now, even when Pitta is healthy. Since we cut Heap back in 2011, we haven't really had a traditional, reliable TE who can block, and I think Fiedorowicz can be that guy. There was one play he made against Purdue, where he pancaked a player in the end zone while the ball was in the air, and he turned around to catch it. You could certainly play a two TE set based offense with this guy as your blocking TE, but he is someone you can target on 3rd downs, and he's going to make that tough catch, and he is someone that can definitely compliment Pitta.

    At C, Travis Swanson seems to be the favored guy right now, but I really like Bryan Stork. I watched Swanson play LSU last season, and he had some problems against that front. He made some nice plays and started off well in pass pro, but eventually, he started to get pushed back, and gave up a couple of sacks. LSU are a talented front, but I watched Stork against Florida, who arguably had a better front than LSU last season, and he played really well. Stork is listed at 300 lbs at some sites, but other sites have him at 312 lbs, he looks bigger than 300 lbs, and is around 6'4, so he has good size for a center, and is very athletic. I think he's more of a power man blocker, but he can get to the second level, and Florida state like to have him pull quite a bit. IMO, he should be the number 1 rated C in the draft, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him go earlier than many people expect. I think he could come in from day 1 and start for the Ravens, and at least be an upgrade over Gradkowski, and AQ Shipley.

    At safety, I like Haha Clinton Dix a lot. He is someone that you'd have to take in the first round, but he is that ball hawking FS that we're missing on defense right now. He has great size, and could push Matt Elam back to his natural SS spot, and that could make for a very solid/athletic safety tandem. Dix is definitely a center fielder, but he can come up into the box, and help in run support, he is a big hitter too, a typical elite Alabama prospect. He did take a loan from an Alabama assistant, so there could be some off field issues there to worry about, he was suspended as a result of that decision.
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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond

    Definite Need
    C
    FS

    Center I see as a pretty significant need. FS isn't as dire, but it's definitely an area we could stand to improve.

    Maybe a Need
    G
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    I can see scenarios where everything in the "Maybe a Need" list ends up being OK. I'm not saying how likely they are, but if we're looking at off-season needs in October and November I think we should acknowledge the uncertainty of that evaluation.

    G - Yanda catches on w/ Castillo's scheme or we just ditch Castillo. And Osemele comes back healthy.
    T - We somehow resign both Monroe and Oher ... admittedly I think the chances of this are slim
    TE - Resign Pitta who returns to form after recovering from injury.
    MLB - Resign Daryl Smith and Arthur Brown grows into a legit 3-down starter.

    The Draft
    We may get a rare opportunity to pick in the top half of the draft. Many of our potential positions of need are positions you don't typically take that early (C, G, MLB, TE, FS). There are some exceptions obviously, but the the only potential need that screams top 15 or *gasp* top 10 is tackle. So in a scenario where we finish with a losing record, I say we hit on some needs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds while going best available or T with our 1st.

    If we rally and finish with a winning record than we're likely to have a need position that coincides with one of the BPAs.

    But the draft is 6 months away so who knows.




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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond

    Even if they re-sign Pitta, they should look at a TE or two in the draft. Who knows how Pitta will come back from that injury and there is also the chance that he'll not be retained (possibly due to the injury).
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Even if they re-sign Pitta, they should look at a TE or two in the draft. Who knows how Pitta will come back from that injury and there is also the chance that he'll not be retained (possibly due to the injury).
    Ya. I think we simply need a blocker that can catch. Keep DC's honest. I'd favor a tall fella, so as to give Joe a good interior sight-line. I'd take a guy like a Ebron with better hands, but I like what CJF (Iowa) can bring. Not sexy nor flashy, but he's tough, tall and will demand attention. His lack of stats should keep him well out of the 2nd round...maybe even the 3rd if the position sees a few Combine Commandoes.

    I'm looking forward to watching more film on Marcel Jensen (6'5+ 260+ from Fresno State). Another guy with unsexy stats, but Fresno's WRs have 67% of their receptions, so Jensen targets are pretty low.

    Adding -- I've only watched 8-10 TE prospects so far, but Illinois' Evan Wilson is the best blocker I've seen. He's definitely 7th round/UDFA territory, but looks to be an in-line bruiser. Five total receptions and two TDs to-date.
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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond

    We also have no idea how Matt Furstenburg will impact (or not) either.
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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond

    I want Odell beckham




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    Quote Originally Posted by arnie_uk View Post
    I want Odell beckham
    We have Odell Beckham on the roster right now. His name is Deonte Thompson.

    Don't get me wrong, he is a good player. If they want another speedy guy I'd rather them look at Josh Huff out of Oregon. He won't cost them a first or second either.


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    Re: Ravens' Top 3 Team Needs, 2014 Draft and Beyond

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    We have Odell Beckham on the roster right now. His name is Deonte Thompson.

    Don't get me wrong, he is a good player. If they want another speedy guy I'd rather them look at Josh Huff out of Oregon. He won't cost them a first or second either.


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    i was thinking second round, if I was taking him. If your taking a wideout round one and you miss on Watkins, lee and Evans, do you take a Matthews round 1? Or a beckham round 2 while addressing a different need round 1




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    We have Odell Beckham on the roster right now. His name is Deonte Thompson.


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    Uh...I don't think I agree with that.

    Thompson was having problems beating out a guy that got cut (Doss...although they resigned him). I mean I get that he got hurt, but he hasn't done anything in this league to make me think he is a quality number 3 or 4 so far...and he had all offseason to stake his name to that spot. It's great to talk about potential, but at some point you gotta see it.

    Marlon Brown showed that you can actually make some plays in year one and in camp.

    I think Beckham next year would have a bigger impact as a rookie than Thompson....just my opinion. Not saying Beckham is great...just that while I am intrigued by his speed, I'm in no way prepared to act like I'm ready to count on Thompson for anything other than some spot duty.


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    I don't think reciever is such a big need at this point. They are catching what joe throws to them, and we've gotten good production out of young guys. The biggest issue on this team is the Oline not giving joe time and opening up holes in the running game. I'm sure a reciever will be taken, a slot reciever type who can return( I do not think JJ will be back). But we also need a TE who can work the middle of the field. Dickson is gone, furstenburg may not develop into anything special and who knows if pitta will return to form. Depending on where we pick regardless of position I want a playmaker that is best player available. This team still has a shot at the playoffs, and even if we do not make it to the playoffs we are way to talented to just tank the season. I see us picking at worst 18-20




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Uh...I don't think I agree with that.

    Thompson was having problems beating out a guy that got cut (Doss...although they resigned him). I mean I get that he got hurt, but he hasn't done anything in this league to make me think he is a quality number 3 or 4 so far...and he had all offseason to stake his name to that spot. It's great to talk about potential, but at some point you gotta see it.

    Marlon Brown showed that you can actually make some plays in year one and in camp.

    I think Beckham next year would have a bigger impact as a rookie than Thompson....just my opinion. Not saying Beckham is great...just that while I am intrigued by his speed, I'm in no way prepared to act like I'm ready to count on Thompson for anything other than some spot duty.


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    This. I had very high hopes for Deonte Thompson, but the kid can't see the field at all in a WR corps that has been as open as you'll ever see. After Jones got hurt Deonte could have risen all the way up to #2 on the DC if he was showing well in practice. Instead, he's still stuck at #6 and has never really moved higher.

    I think the kid is closer to not being on the team in 2014 than being a contributor, unfortunately. The thing that might save him will be his ability as a returner, but I'm certainly not passing up on a good WR because I have a good back-up KR and #6 WR.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCroUSAF View Post
    I don't think reciever is such a big need at this point. They are catching what joe throws to them, and we've gotten good production out of young guys. The biggest issue on this team is the Oline not giving joe time and opening up holes in the running game. I'm sure a reciever will be taken, a slot reciever type who can return( I do not think JJ will be back). But we also need a TE who can work the middle of the field. Dickson is gone, furstenburg may not develop into anything special and who knows if pitta will return to form. Depending on where we pick regardless of position I want a playmaker that is best player available. This team still has a shot at the playoffs, and even if we do not make it to the playoffs we are way to talented to just tank the season. I see us picking at worst 18-20
    Definitely agree about the OL and TE being more pressing needs than WR, but I don't know how much that really means. I've been back and forth on WR as a need during the season but at this point I see the position as a legit round 1 possibility. I think if Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans are available at #20 or so you've got to pull the trigger. I don't see an OL other than Matthews/Lewan being BPA over either of those guys and you don't take a TE at #20 overall unless he's Rob Gronkowski.

    If they re-sign Monroe they can bolster the OL with later picks. Same goes for Pitta and the TE spot. Torrey Smith has been great but what if his price tag becomes outrageous going into 2014? Marlon Brown has been a very, very pleasant surprise as well but he's more of a #3 WR who can't really beat man coverage on the outside. Jacoby is gone next year, Thompson has been a huge disappointment, and Doss is good depth but might be best in a #4 WR/PR role. Who knows about Mellette.

    If the offense continues to go to more spread, pass to set up the run looks, imagine how good they could be with Torrey Smith on one side and Sammy Watins on the other, with Marlon in the slot and Pitta at TE. Two burners on the outside and two dangerous players of the middle.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bmorecareful View Post
    This. I had very high hopes for Deonte Thompson, but the kid can't see the field at all in a WR corps that has been as open as you'll ever see. After Jones got hurt Deonte could have risen all the way up to #2 on the DC if he was showing well in practice. Instead, he's still stuck at #6 and has never really moved higher.

    I think the kid is closer to not being on the team in 2014 than being a contributor, unfortunately. The thing that might save him will be his ability as a returner, but I'm certainly not passing up on a good WR because I have a good back-up KR and #6 WR.




    Definitely agree about the OL and TE being more pressing needs than WR, but I don't know how much that really means. I've been back and forth on WR as a need during the season but at this point I see the position as a legit round 1 possibility. I think if Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans are available at #20 or so you've got to pull the trigger. I don't see an OL other than Matthews/Lewan being BPA over either of those guys and you don't take a TE at #20 overall unless he's Rob Gronkowski.

    If they re-sign Monroe they can bolster the OL with later picks. Same goes for Pitta and the TE spot. Torrey Smith has been great but what if his price tag becomes outrageous going into 2014? Marlon Brown has been a very, very pleasant surprise as well but he's more of a #3 WR who can't really beat man coverage on the outside. Jacoby is gone next year, Thompson has been a huge disappointment, and Doss is good depth but might be best in a #4 WR/PR role. Who knows about Mellette.

    If the offense continues to go to more spread, pass to set up the run looks, imagine how good they could be with Torrey Smith on one side and Sammy Watins on the other, with Marlon in the slot and Pitta at TE. Two burners on the outside and two dangerous players of the middle.
    You may be right, but I think the full context is that DT is underperforming in an offense that 1) doesn't know wtf it's doing, 2) doesn't know wtf it wants to do on, or 3) just can't get it done--on any given series. That may be lazy hyperbole on my part, but my general point is better reflected in how we use/don't use Marlon despite his top 10 TD-to-target rate.

    Sans JJ12 and Stoke, there will be a role for Deonte. I'd like to see him targeted more so that we can see what he's got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    You may be right, but I think the full context is that DT is underperforming in an offense that 1) doesn't know wtf it's doing, 2) doesn't know wtf it wants to do on, or 3) just can't get it done--on any given series. That may be lazy hyperbole on my part, but my general point is better reflected in how we use/don't use Marlon despite his top 10 TD-to-target rate.

    Sans JJ12 and Stoke, there will be a role for Deonte. I'd like to see him targeted more so that we can see what he's got.
    I don't agree with that.

    Marlon Brown showed that you don't need to force feed snaps to see if a guy is good or not...and he shown despite this offense that he is a quality NFL receiver. Is he a legit #2 guy?...I don't know. But it didn't take him 2-3 years to show it...struggling to beat out mediocre guys on the depth chart.

    It does puzzle me how no other position on this team gets the patience from fans that our WRs do every single year...despite a poor track record of that patience being rewarded.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I don't agree with that.

    Marlon Brown showed that you don't need to force feed snaps to see if a guy is good or not...and he shown despite this offense that he is a quality NFL receiver. Is he a legit #2 guy?...I don't know. But it didn't take him 2-3 years to show it...struggling to beat out mediocre guys on the depth chart.
    That's not the way it went down though. Reed got cut, Doss was already out of favor, JJ (the Day 1 #2) and got hurt and DT got hurt in August. All of these cats were ahead of Marlon on the depth chart. Now did Marlon pull a "not-Dickson" and take complete advantage of his opportunity? Yes sirrrrr...but he didn't actually beat out anyone ahead of him.

    It does puzzle me how no other position on this team gets the patience from fans that our WRs do every single year...despite a poor track record of that patience being rewarded.
    DT came back to an established Marlon Brown and Doss 2.0 ahead of him on the depth chart. He only has 4% of all targets (in his six games played), but his 60% catch rate is not too shabby if it can be maintained over time.

    No one bangs the drum louder than me about what I think we should do about the WR (and TE) position(s) every spring. You'll find no patience on this subject with me. But even if we bring Mega and Cruz in here, we need dudes that can block and call the blocks upfront. There's waaaay too much uncertainty across the OL right now. My "fix the OL" drum is much larger and louder than my "gimme a stud WR/TE in the Draft" drum. So if that translates into yet another frikkin late-round/UDFA WR pick-up for us in '14 and keeping someone like DT around then I can live with it. IMO keeping #5 upright and healthy is the top priority.

    More so, there are seven games left and other than our worthless or likely-expensive UFA's, it's a bit too early IMO to be definitive on anyone's 2014 status. Roll the clock back 7 games and Jimmy Smith is still teetering on the bust fence. Let it play out.


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