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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravcolt View Post
    The fact that Goodell makes $30M per year to screw up the game is the scary part.
    Done far more good than bad, IMO.

    Well deserved.
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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    The NFL is simply a trade association. The only money the NFL makes are membership dues from the 32 teams, income from it's investments and fines. I don't have current numbers, but in 2010 this amounted to:

    Membership dues: $183,789,138
    Investment income: $270,439
    Fines: $ 240,000

    BTW...the NFL lost $42mil in 2009 and $52mil in 2010.




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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Loyola View Post
    When you are talking about SALARY you are talking about ORDINARY INCOME. Other than giving it away to charity there is not really an easy way to shelter a SALARY of $30M.

    If he had a $100 Million mortgage at 6% interest he could deduct $6M from the $30M. Even if he could SHELTER 90% of his SALARY he would still be in the 40% Federal Income tax bracket.

    So yes I do believe that he is paying the top bracket rate (about 40%) on his adjusted gross income.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Money227 View Post
    I don't have current numbers, but in 2010 this amounted to:

    Membership dues: $183,789,138
    Investment income: $270,439
    Fines: $ 240,000
    Only $240k in fines? I think a decimal point's been moved. Or is that just team fines, not player fines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Only $240k in fines? I think a decimal point's been moved. Or is that just team fines, not player fines?
    I actually just looked up their 2011 return (which is actually through March 31, 2012 which is their year end) and it's listed as "coach/club fines" (which were $584,500).




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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Money227 View Post
    The NFL is simply a trade association. The only money the NFL makes are membership dues from the 32 teams, income from it's investments and fines. I don't have current numbers, but in 2010 this amounted to:

    Membership dues: $183,789,138
    Investment income: $270,439
    Fines: $ 240,000

    BTW...the NFL lost $42mil in 2009 and $52mil in 2010.
    They get TV revenue.

    They do NOT invest. That would violate their 501(c)(6) tax exempt status.

    Fines are donated to charity and not considered income.
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    No criticism aimed at the OP or anyone else here, but this is an example of being gullible to media slanted pot-stirring and ignorance by many Americans of our (onerous) system of taxation. Of the $9 billion annual revenue which funds the NFL (league offices, teams, players salaries combined) I would be surprised if half or more is already confiscated by the taxman - Federal, State, local. Tax the league offices as well? Guess what: the taxes on the league offices would, in turn, be passed on to the teams who would, in turn, raise ticket prices again.

    Also: fact-twisting by the media about Exxon's taxes. The owners of Exxon (likely you and me, your parents, grandparents and/or friends own its stock directly or via investment portfolios) are subject to double taxation: Exxon's corporate taxes, and your personal income taxes on Exxon dividends.

    The author of the petition should be sent back to junior high school social studies classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They get TV revenue.

    They do NOT invest. That would violate their 501(c)(6) tax exempt status.

    Fines are donated to charity and not considered income.
    1. No, they don't get TV revenue.

    2. Their "investment" revenue is mostly interest. 501(c)(6) organizations can absolutely place their money in investments. They just need to be primarily supported by membership dues and other revenue related to its exempt purpose (which the NFL obviously is).

    3. Player fines are donated to charity. Coach/club fines are reported as revenue.




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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    No criticism aimed at the OP or anyone else here, but this is an example of being gullible to media slanted pot-stirring and ignorance by many Americans of our (onerous) system of taxation. Of the $9 billion annual revenue which funds the NFL (league offices, teams, players salaries combined) I would be surprised if half or more is already confiscated by the taxman - Federal, State, local. Tax the league offices as well? Guess what: the taxes on the league offices would, in turn, be passed on to the teams who would, in turn, raise ticket prices again.

    Also: fact-twisting by the media about Exxon's taxes. The owners of Exxon (likely you and me, your parents, grandparents and/or friends own its stock directly or via investment portfolios) are subject to double taxation: Exxon's corporate taxes, and your personal income taxes on Exxon dividends.

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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Money227 View Post
    1. No, they don't get TV revenue.

    2. Their "investment" revenue is mostly interest. 501(c)(6) organizations can absolutely place their money in investments. They just need to be primarily supported by membership dues and other revenue related to its exempt purpose (which the NFL obviously is).

    3. Player fines are donated to charity. Coach/club fines are reported as revenue.
    They collected $7 Billion in TV revenue last year ....

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...n-economy.html

    That was split amongst the teams. Perhaps we're arguing the same thing here and saying it in different ways.

    And no, they cannot invest in the sense you're speaking of. They can use procured funds to improve business conditions (i.e. invest in themselves via hire refs, supply them new equipment, etc) but they cannot make a stock investment or anything similar. That crosses the line the IRS calls the "Line of Business".
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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    They collected $7 Billion in TV revenue last year ....

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...n-economy.html

    That was split amongst the teams. Perhaps we're arguing the same thing here and saying it in different ways.

    And no, they cannot invest in the sense you're speaking of. They can use procured funds to improve business conditions (i.e. invest in themselves via hire refs, supply them new equipment, etc) but they cannot make a stock investment or anything similar. That crosses the line the IRS calls the "Line of Business".
    TV revenue is split between each of the NFL's 32 member organizations and they are the ones that recognize the revenue, not the NFL. The NFL's Form 990 (Return for Exempt Organizations) is available for anyone to see. It gives you a complete breakdown of their financial picture. I actually prepare quite a few 990s that are much more complicated than the NFL's.




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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Money227 View Post
    TV revenue is split between each of the NFL's 32 member organizations and they are the ones that recognize the revenue, not the NFL. The NFL's Form 990 (Return for Exempt Organizations) is available for anyone to see. It gives you a complete breakdown of their financial picture. I actually prepare quite a few 990s that are much more complicated than the NFL's.
    Gotcha.

    So we were saying the same thing from different angles.
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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    No criticism aimed at the OP or anyone else here, but this is an example of being gullible to media slanted pot-stirring and ignorance by many Americans of our (onerous) system of taxation. Of the $9 billion annual revenue which funds the NFL (league offices, teams, players salaries combined) I would be surprised if half or more is already confiscated by the taxman - Federal, State, local. Tax the league offices as well? Guess what: the taxes on the league offices would, in turn, be passed on to the teams who would, in turn, raise ticket prices again.

    Also: fact-twisting by the media about Exxon's taxes. The owners of Exxon (likely you and me, your parents, grandparents and/or friends own its stock directly or via investment portfolios) are subject to double taxation: Exxon's corporate taxes, and your personal income taxes on Exxon dividends.

    The author of the petition should be sent back to junior high school social studies classes.
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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    The main thing that separates non-profits from profit earning entities is that non-profits do not have shareholders and are expected to plow all of their earnings and contributions back into their mission and operations. The NFL is a trade organization that exists to allow the 32 teams to make money and pay tons of taxes to the IRS. There are no investors waiting to get rich off of investing in the NFL.

    The main thing that doesn't smell like a non-profit is Goodell's $30 million salary. I'm sure that you could find many more qualified people to be Commissioners who would be working to work for less than that.




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    Re: NFL doesn't pay taxes??

    Start a petition for churches to pay tax and I will be the first to sign it.


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