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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Here's how PFF works on this board:

    If they say an unpopular player is playing well: they're a joke. If they say he's playing poorly, they're gospel.

    If they say a fan favorite is playing well. Gospel. Poorly? Joke.
    PFF works like this:

    Arbitrary mathematical value attributed to this player on this play regardless of other elements impacting that individual player on that individual play.

    Result: arbitrary numerical value that neither explains not offers any real analytical insight into the player, the play, the team or the game.

    As others have said, this isn't baseball. It just doesn't work all of the time.

    Folks who take it as gospel are being misled.


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    Oh I agree that their results are usually inaccurate. I just find it funny how some posters will either shit on them or sit them on a pedestal depending on whether or not they agree with their assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    The PFF references need to get their squirrely asses outta here.
    Hey even I called their grading system a joke. I feel like you`re all piling on me. My point was about the pressures, not the grade.

    Last year 19 centers went through the entire season without surrendering 19 pressures. Gino has done this in 5 games. 6 more then anyone else, and 17 out of 29 qualifying centers right now have surrendered 5 or less. Even if Gino is flawless the rest of the year, he`s most likely gonna end up in the bottom half of the league in this category.

    Not saying stats for pressures allowed are completly accurate, but it`s alot less subjective determining who`s to blame for a QB pressure then grading a player on a given play.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Oh I agree that their results are usually inaccurate. I just find it funny how some posters will either shit on them or sit them on a pedestal depending on whether or not they agree with their assessment.
    Nobody in this thread has argued FOR the PFF grading system. So please stop jerking each other off.




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    Quote Originally Posted by yahoomas View Post
    Nobody in this thread has argued FOR the PFF grading system. So please stop jerking each other off.
    PFF or no PFF, I'm sick and tired of seeing Gradkowski being walked back into the pocket on passing plays and completely nullified on running plays. Yesterday, Shipley not only effectively blocked his man but was able to get to LB's at the second level. Shipley, at last, must be 100% injury free. It's time to give this guy at least a shot at starting.




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    Quote Originally Posted by yahoomas View Post
    Nobody in this thread has argued FOR the PFF grading system. So please stop jerking each other off.
    Simmer down sailor, I was commenting on a phenomenon that extends beyond this thread and in fact said I was specifically talking about certain posters, if my observation doesn't apply to you, then it wasn't directed at you.
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    I don't think they are giving up on him that quickly, especially after he played better last game. Although Shipley did look good, actually better than KO has been playing. If he doesn't continue to step up, the hook may come soon.




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    Re: Gradkowski must sit

    Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders both have a long history of drawing strong battle lines on this board, and even back in the Sun Spot days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastaman831226 View Post
    PFF or no PFF, I'm sick and tired of seeing Gradkowski being walked back into the pocket on passing plays and completely nullified on running plays. Yesterday, Shipley not only effectively blocked his man but was able to get to LB's at the second level. Shipley, at last, must be 100% injury free. It's time to give this guy at least a shot at starting.
    Gino wasn't "walked back into the pocket" on every passing play like you're suggesting. Nor was he completely "nullified" on every running play, which you are also suggesting. Chill with the hyperbole.

    Is Gino perfect? No way, but he is learning as he goes and the Miami game was his best yet as a starter.

    Regarding Shipley, stop making him out to be the second coming of Gene Upshaw or something. Shipley played decently, but he got bested a few times as well. Additionally, playing center is more challenging than guard, so just because Shipley had a handful of nice plays as a guard does not mean he would do the same as a center.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Gino wasn't "walked back into the pocket" on every passing play like you're suggesting. Nor was he completely "nullified" on every running play, which you are also suggesting. Chill with the hyperbole.

    Is Gino perfect? No way, but he is learning as he goes and the Miami game was his best yet as a starter.

    Regarding Shipley, stop making him out to be the second coming of Gene Upshaw or something. Shipley played decently, but he got bested a few times as well. Additionally, playing center is more challenging than guard, so just because Shipley had a handful of nice plays as a guard does not mean he would do the same as a center.


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    You're right. He wasn't walked back on every play.

    There was the play on Rice's fumble where he was lying in his
    favorite prolonged position, this time on his stomach with two
    guys looking down and laughing at him.

    Then there were the times when he stood there as guys breezed
    by him up the middle while he looked the other way.



    Gino is a little poor on technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    You're right. He wasn't walked back on every play.

    There was the play on Rice's fumble where he was lying in his
    favorite prolonged position, this time on his stomach with two
    guys looking down and laughing at him.

    Gino is a little poor on technique.
    But he is really good at making Rice fumble.

    Just like Birk was.


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    The guy he was trying to wipe out recovered the fumble.





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    wikedsolo, u arent the brightest of people if you think gino isnt the problem or if u think hes any good.

    period.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    But he is really good at making Rice fumble.

    Just like Birk was.


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    Just like McKinnie is good at making Flacco throw pick sixes. Just saying.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rayvensfan52 View Post
    wikedsolo, u arent the brightest of people if you think gino isnt the problem or if u think hes any good.

    period.
    He is totally the problem when it comes to Ray Rice fumbling. /sarcasm

    I also find it ironic someone questioning another's intelligence and failing to use proper grammar and punctuation in doing so.

    Good on you.

    As far as how I really feel about Gino? I think he is someone who is going to take a lot longer to develop than everyone had hoped. However, the entire OL has played like crap since the first week. This is why it is inaccurate to try and pin all of the offensive woes on a singular performance or individual. Even Marshall Yanda, who is easily the best lineman on the squad, has gotten his arse handed to him on multiple occasions this season. The point is that blaming everything on Gino at this juncture is about as idiotic as blaming Flacco for an interception that bounces off the hands of Ed Dickson. It is too small of a sample size and there are a tremendous amount of other variables at work here; most of which we just don't know about (e.g., Juan Castillo).


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