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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?



    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    He was quick enough scoring while standing up on some great blocking that time. That's
    what I'm saying. Wagner demolished his man for Rice.If the holes are there he will dart
    thru em.

    I'm still waiting for HARBs to switch him to slot receiver like his boss Andy Reid did with
    Westbrook in Philly. HARBs must have forgotten that. Ray will be more dangerous
    like 4th and 29 in SD. That will get him into the open field and there's nobody good
    in the slot right now. Nobody after Torrey Smith.
    I completely agree. I was talking with my friends earlier about whose a better RB at this point: Pierce or Rice. When talking strictly about running between the tackles, Pierce is a lot better; however, Rice is the better playmaker. Either out of the shotgun, on a screen, etc. Rice has that great playmaking ability when he is in the open field. I feel that it is Caldwell's duty to design plays where Rice can get the ball where he exceeds the most, in open space. If putting Ray in the slot does that, it would definitely be beneficial.




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Quote Originally Posted by landshark52 View Post
    Ray has been slowing down since last year. You can just see it with how often trips over his own feet and goes down by arm tackles. He just doesn't have that elusiveness anymore. Then when you lose dependability by fumbling, what exactly are you getting out of him anymore? Not enough is the simple answer. Pierce gives more.
    He definitely goes down way too quickly and easily a lot of the time. Sometimes it is like he leans too far forward (to compensate for an impending hit that exists only in his imagination?) and suddenly falls forward or trips way too early in the runs, often untouched. Like he is diving, except for no reason.

    Obviously our run blocking sucks ass so far, so it isn't like he is leaving a ton of yards on the field, but I can definitely find a handful every game (promising hole, then Rice forward diving or tripping in the middle of it).




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscull View Post
    I completely agree. I was talking with my friends earlier about whose a better RB at this point: Pierce or Rice. When talking strictly about running between the tackles, Pierce is a lot better; however, Rice is the better playmaker. Either out of the shotgun, on a screen, etc. Rice has that great playmaking ability when he is in the open field. I feel that it is Caldwell's duty to design plays where Rice can get the ball where he exceeds the most, in open space. If putting Ray in the slot does that, it would definitely be beneficial.
    caldwell said the mia vs no tape from last week was lost in the mail (sproles)




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Um, Rice's fumble wasn't exactly on him.

    The ball took a direct hit from the helmet. It was a clean hard hit on
    the ball.

    Nobody would have held on in that situation.

    Also, there was a least 1 screen at the end of the first half where Ray
    gained some yardage. There was another short pass early in the
    2d qtr where he gained some yards.

    BTW, Ravens rushing attack was over 100 yds with Ray getting 74 yds and 2 TDs.

    The run game started to wear the Dolphins down. Rice ran twice for six yards each. And BTW TT, I'd call those nice pickups and so would the Ravens. They'd take em. Pierce had the longest run of the year with 28 yards from scrimmage.


    Then Flacco used play action to find Smith for a 14-yard gain. Rice ran twice more for eight yards to set up Tucker’s game-winning 44-yard kick.


    “In this heat, the 1-yard run becomes a 3-yard run,” HARBs said.

    I've been to most of the games down there and it was hot and muggy today outside the stadium and over 100 degrees down on the field. The last time I was there during the POs it was miserable just sitting in the heat, just imagine running in it.



    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201310...ghts&tab=recap
    Last edited by AirFlacco; 10-07-2013 at 02:31 AM.




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Um, Rice's fumble wasn't exactly on him.

    The ball took a direct hit from the helmet. It was a clean hard hit on
    the ball.

    Nobody would have held on in that situation.

    Also, there was a least 1 screen at the end of the first half where Ray
    gained some yardage. There was another short pass early in the
    2d qtr where he gained some yards.

    BTW, Ravens rushing attack was over 100 yds with Ray getting 70 yds and 2 TDs.

    The run game started to wear the Dolphins down. Rice ran twice for six yards each. Then Flacco used play action to find Smith for a 14-yard gain. Rice ran twice more for eight yards to set up Tucker’s game-winning 44-yard kick.


    “In this heat, the 1-yard run becomes a 3-yard run,” HARBs said.


    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201310...ghts&tab=recap
    Agreed there is fumbles and then there is this, a nice run and a good and a lucky defense play, no blame from me on this play.




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Thank UUUUUUUUUUU.

    Somebody that was watching football.




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    I think Ray Rice burst/speed is suffering from his hip injury but with time i think he will get better. I saw some one mention how Ray Rice hasn't been the same since 2009 well in 2009 we had Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Matt Birk, Marshal Yanda and Micheal Oher just about all of them were very good at run blocking and dominate in doing so.




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Um, Rice's fumble wasn't exactly on him.

    The ball took a direct hit from the helmet. It was a clean hard hit on
    the ball.

    Nobody would have held on in that situation.
    Helmet was no where near the ball.
    96 knocks it loose with his left arm.




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    I certainly think that at this point, Rice has lost some explosiveness and speed, he isn't breaking them out like he used to. Even during poor games in the past, he'd break out one or two 20 yard + gains.




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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    The guy;s entire upper body and his helmet comes down
    and hits Rice in the arm on what STan White called a ferocious hit. As someone posted, that hit isn't on Ray and there was no blocking on the play. Ellerbe picks up the ball.

    Here's his quick TD from red zone, the 4, and look at
    #71 Wagner wipe out his man to spring Ray. There was a time before Jamal Lewis when the Ravens couldn't
    even score from there. That's why Billick wanted someone who could move the pile.

    If Oher leaves, Wagner will probably take his place. He's
    6'6 and 310 lbs. I wonder if he can play Center?


    http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-...yard-touchdown
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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenelite28 View Post
    The fumbling issue is my primary concern.

    Age/injury shouldn't have an impact on his ball security.
    Bottom line is I no longer trust Ray to be one of our best players.
    He is supposed to be a mismatch for LBers, but when has he been open when split out wide? He is supposed to be an elite player and he just doesn't look like one.

    Rice never used to fumble at all. Now it's happening once every other game. I don't know what is going on with that.
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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Um, Rice's fumble wasn't exactly on him.

    The ball took a direct hit from the helmet. It was a clean hard hit on
    the ball.
    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    The guy;s entire upper body and his helmet comes down
    and hits Rice in the arm on what STan White called a ferocious hit.
    Not trying to argue with you,like your posts, but this whole thing with the helmet directly hitting the ball/Rice's arm, knocking the ball out isn't what I saw.
    Love Rice but the fumble is on him IMHO.
    Not the greatest screen capture but;







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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Need to keep two hands on the ball when in traffic. Rice didn't do it.




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    Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    The fumble isnt on him...wow. Ok. Well, hey all of those interceptions Joe threw last week weren't on him either. Just lucky defensive plays.

    /hyperbole

    Rice is a running back. His primary objective is to protect the football when he gets it. That fumble is directly on him because he didn't have the ball secured enough. Just like when Joe tries to force a pass to. Receiver who is double-covered and it gets picked off.


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    Re: Ray Rice - slowing down? Or still injured?

    Did anyone see the play where Flacco scrambled and threw the ball to Ray Rice, which Ray Rice tried to spin out of a tackle? I was pretty sure that it happened in the second half....

    Anyway, I thought that play epitomized something.... Ray Rice always seemed to curl whenever we are passing. There does not seem a variety in his routes that we would see with other RBs (most notable, Sproles). I am not sure why Ray always seem to be a sitting duck, which makes it easier for a linebacker to cover him. I find it hard to believe that an average linebacker could shut him down.

    Moreover, I don't get the stubbornness to run him between tackles. That worked a few years ago mainly because defenders couldn't find him. Given the rise of RBs similar size as Ray, it is hard to fool defender with his miniature size (in comparison).

    We are spending significant money on him, we need to be innovative with him.




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