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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?



    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80 View Post
    I say that was just an attempt to get more yards for a better punt after seeing the lack of distance punting from Koch today and also a great play by Dion Jordan.
    This.

    If they would have ran a draw, people would have complained that they were being too conservative. Dammed of you do dammed if you don't sometimes. Caldwell has been pretty bad, but I had no problems with that one.
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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Personally I liked the call, if McKinnie gave any fucks and would just stand his fatass in Jordan's way could of been a big gain. Was just a great play by Jordan getting there as the ball was released. Shit happens. Compared to a 2 yard draw play and punt. I like the aggressiveness, yea it sucks but I think it's good to build that confidence.




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    You don't have time to constantly rely on your defense like that, especially since your offense is trying to gain confidence.

    3rd and 22, you try to get the first down. You don't settle for punting out of your own end zone, especially during a game where Koch was off. If Miami goes down and scores (Which, if you didn't see that great play by Tannehill to get them in position for the game tying field goal, you would have thought highly unlikely), Harbaugh is getting crushed for being too conservative, like he always is. You got and get your W's. You don't wait for them to come to you.
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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhThePossibilities View Post
    ????? Didn't cost us? What worse can happen on a play assuming no one is injured?
    Didn't cost us the game. We still won.




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    I liked the call, smith was open, flacco seen him, and it could so easily have been 7 for us if McKinnie just got him pushed like half a foot further round the back of joe




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    I thought surely they were going to run to the right, because leading up to that McKinnie was getting smoked, AND the Dolphins were getting pressure right up the middle. On the pick six I think it was a delayed safety blitz; on the play before I forget who it was, but it was a carbon copy. It was apparent that the Dolphins had something working on that series; and also apparent that we hadn't adjusted to it yet. So given that at that moment we were clearly being out-schemed and hadn't thought up a response to it yet, I didn't think we'd risk it again on that play, but that was precisely what happened.

    Hate to add this, because my criticisms of Flacco haven't been many over the years, but his lack of pocket awareness jumps off the TV screen at me. It is really a peculiar, very, very odd feature of his game.
    Not sure how that play displayed a lack of pocket awareness? He was in the process of unloading the ball and every quarterback in situations like that has no alternative but to trust his left tackle to hold his block. Flacco can't possibly be "aware" that McKinnie failed on his block while he's winding up to throw until it's too late.




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Being that the oline was having another bad game and the D was playing well, it was probably not the best call. But I like the aggressive play calling.




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    it was bad call, when the LT don't give a fuck don't call plays like that. At one point during a game break one of the analysis said Mckinnie is playing purely lazy there is no effort from him today.




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Harbaugh admits it was a mistake
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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    Harbaugh admits it was a mistake.
    He considers it a mistake in 20-20 hindsight. Classic shoulda-woulda-coulda from the most risk-averse coach in the NFL.

    As has been pointed out, Torrey was open, Joe saw him, & with a quarter-second more they team up for a huge gain. I like the play call in the abstract--& yet I'll agree with Harbs this time, only because the call presumes that the line can hold its blocks to give it time to develop, & if there was any one thing Big Mac wasn't doing yesterday it was holding his blocks. If Caldwell erred it was in not taking the line play into account.




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    This thread is hilarious.

    So when Joe hit Pitta in last years PO game in Denver from almost the same position, that aggressiveness won the game and now, all of a sudden, we want to go timid against a lesser opponent?!? I have zero problem with the playcall and more of a problem with Harbaugh wimping out and admitting it was "a mistake".

    If Joe gets that pass off and hits Torrey for a big gainer or even a TD, we'd be talking about how awesome it was and how "money" they both Joe and Torrey are. The offense had been playing better in the second-half too so I don't get the angst for the playcall. Bunch of Nancy's in here!!




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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    He considers it a mistake in 20-20 hindsight. Classic shoulda-woulda-coulda from the most risk-averse coach in the NFL.

    As has been pointed out, Torrey was open, Joe saw him, & with a quarter-second more they team up for a huge gain. I like the play call in the abstract--& yet I'll agree with Harbs this time, only because the call presumes that the line can hold its blocks to give it time to develop, & if there was any one thing Big Mac wasn't doing yesterday it was holding his blocks. If Caldwell erred it was in not taking the line play into account.
    Every admission of a mistake has the benefit of hindsight. Why is it a knock here?
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    Re: What was Caldwell thinking on 3rd and 22?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Every admission of a mistake has the benefit of hindsight. Why is it a knock here?
    There's a world of difference between

    It was a bad call because it wasn't likely to work
    and

    It was a bad call because it didn't work.
    The latter attitude is what I scorn as "20-20 hindsight" because it presupposes knowledge at the time of how that play will turn out.

    Sometimes that play call results in an INC and a punt; sometimes a completion & a first down or big gain or TD even. (Cf. Dilfer to Sharpe, BAL@OAK, 2001 AFCCC: 95 yards, TD.) Sometimes the ball is tipped for a pick-6.

    In hindsight the probabilities of those 3 outcomes are 0, 0, and 100%. In hindsight any play call that didn't result in a TD for the Fins would have been a better call.

    What were the best estimates of those probabilities at the time?

    Harbaugh, as arguably the most risk-averse HC in the NFL, would no doubt have answered differently from Caldwell at the time.

    The probability of that call being successful was critically dependent on the line giving Joe enough time to throw, & if it didn't all sorts of bad things could result (pick-6, fumble, sack & punt from inside the 5,sack for safety, etc.). IMO, based on what had happened up to that point in time, Caldwell drastically overestimated the probability that the line (& specifically McKinnie) would do its job.

    So I agree with Harbs--it was a mistake given what was known at the time.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    This thread is hilarious.

    So when Joe hit Pitta in last years PO game in Denver from almost the same position, that aggressiveness won the game and now, all of a sudden, we want to go timid against a lesser opponent?!? I have zero problem with the playcall and more of a problem with Harbaugh wimping out and admitting it was "a mistake".

    If Joe gets that pass off and hits Torrey for a big gainer or even a TD, we'd be talking about how awesome it was and how "money" they both Joe and Torrey are. The offense had been playing better in the second-half too so I don't get the angst for the playcall. Bunch of Nancy's in here!!
    The difference was that was a tie game, and the next score would win the game. In this game we had the lead and our defense was playing fantastic all game long.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    almost cost the game. run it up the middle and punt. it ain't pretty but it beats the hell out of a pick six
    Exactly. That's what I told my wife as the Ravens lined up for the 3rd down play. I said "conservative running play ... no way that Flacco would pass in this situation". Shows how little I knew!
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