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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade



    Quote Originally Posted by lowrider View Post
    You're right. It's just a number, but a damn big number. And whether he, or you, or I like it, Joe is going to be under the microscope unlike any time before he signed that deal. It goes with the turf. Also, I don't see how we are "all of the sudden" taking what he says through the media literally. But when his words are spoken in a public forum how else should we take them? It's not like we heard anything second hand.

    The OP is giving Joe props for standing up and saying he didn't play well and accepting responsibility. What's wrong with that?
    Joe is who he is. Given time in the pocket and he can scorch you. He can move around in the pocket, but you have to have a space he can move into. The line has to improve or Joe is going to look pathetic. Not just pass blocking but run blocking also. Doing either well will improve the other. Joe is not going to beat anyone with athleticism.




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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

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    Actually it's $6.8, the total is irrelevant!! This is not baseball and the only number that matters is the cap number, no matter how bad the national media wants to hammer on the $120
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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayvens52 View Post
    Actually it's $6.8, the total is irrelevant!! This is not baseball and the only number that matters is the cap number, no matter how bad the national media wants to hammer on the $120
    Well.... it's 6.8 million this year, the cap numbers obviously grow significantly down the road.




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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Right now, Joe is getting boxed into the pocket, because the edge rushers are also getting push against the tackles. If the tackles can hold up better, Joe can at least scramble to the side. Joe doesn't have the awareness to scramble with the efficiency of an Aaron Rodgers. The lane needs to be clear. If you box him in, he'll do his best, but he isn't as smooth as someone like Rodgers in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Well.... it's 6.8 million this year, the cap numbers obviously grow significantly down the road.
    It's not an issue until 2016, at which time they'll restructure him.

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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    Joe is who he is. Given time in the pocket and he can scorch you. He can move around in the pocket, but you have to have a space he can move into. The line has to improve or Joe is going to look pathetic. Not just pass blocking but run blocking also. Doing either well will improve the other. Joe is not going to beat anyone with athleticism.
    Totally agree. Joe is a pure pocket passer. If the O line doesn't give him time he is going to look really bad. Especially if we can't run the ball. Add to that he only has one receiver that he can really trust right now, and you get a situation where defenses are going to pin their ears back and come after him.
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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Quote Originally Posted by lowrider View Post
    Totally agree. Joe is a pure pocket passer. If the O line doesn't give him time he is going to look really bad. Especially if we can't run the ball. Add to that he only has one receiver that he can really trust right now, and you get a situation where defenses are going to pin their ears back and come after him.
    Smith, Brown, Stokley ....
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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    He needs protection and he needs a running game. He's not a guy who can create plays with his legs or make no name receivers look great; there aren't many of those QBs.

    Get the running game back in to the gameplan even if it's barely effective. At some point they'll break one and it also keeps the D from pinning their ears back.
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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Smith, Brown, Stokley ....
    Smith, Brown, and very soon Deonte Thompson too, IMO.

    Stokley can't be completely trusted however, since he's very slow and there have been a few times where he hasn't gotten to the spot he is supposed to be.

    That happened quite a few times against the Broncos, once for an interception. If Stokley played as a starter the whole game, I suspect there'd be several incompletions or worse as a result from him not being fast enough.

    (No, I'm not describing a situation where Flacco simply overthrows Stokley. There is a big difference.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    He needs protection and he needs a running game. He's not a guy who can create plays with his legs or make no name receivers look great; there aren't many of those QBs.

    Get the running game back in to the gameplan even if it's barely effective. At some point they'll break one and it also keeps the D from pinning their ears back.
    He is doing pretty well with a UDFA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Smith, Brown, Stokley ....
    Smith of course. Brown is coming but not there yet. Stokley is slow and a shell of what he was 5 years ago. Same for Clark. Doing better lately but still has the dropsies. Need I say anything about Dixon? Minus Smith this receiving core is made up of unproven rookies, has beens, and never will be's.
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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Quote Originally Posted by lowrider View Post
    Smith of course. Brown is coming but not there yet. Stokley is slow and a shell of what he was 5 years ago. Same for Clark. Doing better lately but still has the dropsies. Need I say anything about Dixon? Minus Smith this receiving core is made up of unproven rookies, has beens, and never will be's.
    Ok. But you said he only had one trusted target.

    That's what I was challenging.
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    Re: Joe Flacco: A Mature and Now Outspoken Leade

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Ok. But you said he only had one trusted target.

    That's what I was challenging.
    And I'm still saying that. "Trusted" may not be the best choice of words so let's just say that he has one "proven" receiver (Smith) in his arsenal. Brown will be added to that list by mid season, I believe.
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