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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace



    The upcoming schedule should be favorable to the pace as well. E.J. Manuel is going to be able to avoid a few, but if they get behind early he could be in trouble. Ryan Tannehill is playing better, but on the road against Cleveland, they only scored about 23, while taking advantage of three Weeden Ints. Rodger won't be easy to bring down, but his offensive line is not too hot to trot right now and if they go into Pitt, on a roll, which will likely and largely depend on how they do versus Green Bay, Ben might get sacked seven times, while avoiding another seven all on his own.
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Not to get too overconfident, but we haven't even played P-burgh yet. What's the over/under on sacks and pressures in those two games?
    The way Pigben has been holding the ball like a loaf of bread, you might see Suggs doing his Sultan of Swat impersonation...




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    Wait a minute...I thought that the Ravens D had lost way too much talent on defense in the offseason to compete effectively this year.

    I mean, Kruger, Ellerbe, Ray, Reed...

    Merrill Hoge (and almost everyone else in the media for that matter) said the defense was going to suffer because of the loss of these guys.

    Hmmm....




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    Not the loss of talent, the loss of leadership...
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    I cant help but wonder what Pop Mattison would've done (rather NOT done) with all these rushers at his disposal. I shudder to think.
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Sack rates change all the time. There is no way you can look at 3 games and accurately predict where the team will be by the end of season.
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Ravens bavent even played the Steelers yet. :-).. i still think this team is better than last years and will be in AFCCG again, barring injuries.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    Wait a minute...I thought that the Ravens D had lost way too much talent on defense in the offseason to compete effectively this year.

    I mean, Kruger, Ellerbe, Ray, Reed...

    Merrill Hoge (and almost everyone else in the media for that matter) said
    the defense was going to suffer because of the loss of these guys.

    Hmmm....
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by Raven Werewolf View Post
    I cant help but wonder what Pop Mattison would've done (rather NOT done) with all these rushers at his disposal. I shudder to think.
    Shudder away. IMHO he'd have done pretty damned well.

    The problem with his Ravens defenses was precisely that he didn't have "all these rushers" at his disposal, which meant he needed to get creative in order to gin up any sort of pressure at all. That usually means sending a DB & hoping the short-handed pass coverage can hold up long enough for the rush to get home--a decidedly high-risk strategy even with a better secondary than he had to work with.

    Mattison is not a stupid coach. Not terribly creative maybe (& frankly who knows how much of that had to do with placating Harbs' abundantly-documented aversion to risk) but not stupid either. From all appearances, the current front 7 doesn't need Toejamosaurus-Rexian scheming: the DC need only "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war"....& IMO "Pops" coulda(woulda) done that just as well as Pees does now.




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    Mattison called a top 10 defense in both of the seasons he was here.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    This is the thing that annoys me about Pees. He's too conservative. That's all well and good when you're not that talented, but this unit clearly are.
    What exactly is the need to send DBs when we're already getting this much pressure? Is one more blitzer going to outweigh the depletion in the secondary? Is there some reason to give Brandon Weedon or Matt Schaub an open outlet when you're already in their faces and have all their receivers covered? Is it really "conservative" when it holds two teams to a combined 15 points in two games???

    I don't have filmstudy's breakdown handy, but my recall is that so far we're not getting any better results from bringing 6 or 7 than when we bring 4-5. If that is correct (and again, I'd have to go back and look) then why bother? Seems to be working well enough as is.

    Honestly, I think all this stuff about being aggressive vs conservative comes down to people's aesthetic preferences more than anything. It looks really cool to see blitzers off the edge, but what is the exact price of looking cool?




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    Quote Originally Posted by lobachevsky View Post
    Shudder away. IMHO he'd have done pretty damned well.

    The problem with his Ravens defenses was precisely that he didn't have "all these rushers" at his disposal, which meant he needed to get creative in order to gin up any sort of pressure at all. That usually means sending a DB & hoping the short-handed pass coverage can hold up long enough for the rush to get home--a decidedly high-risk strategy even with a better secondary than he had to work with.

    Mattison is not a stupid coach. Not terribly creative maybe (& frankly who knows how much of that had to do with placating Harbs' abundantly-documented aversion to risk) but not stupid either. From all appearances, the current front 7 doesn't need Toejamosaurus-Rexian scheming: the DC need only "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war"....& IMO "Pops" coulda(woulda) done that just as well as Pees does now.
    A huge chunk of the fanbase not only doesn't remember how Mattison had to work short handed, they never even paid enough attention at the time to realize it in the first place. He did a damn good job considering he had guys like Foxworth, Nakamura, Frank Walker, Fabian Washington, etc. to work with. He managed to get the most out of guys like Chris Carr and a very raw Cary Williams. I look at the defensive rosters for the seasons he ran the defense and wonder how the hell we ever beat anybody.

    There's just no explaining that to people. They either paid attention or they didn't. The grossly overgeneralized myth that Mattison was soft is ingrained in their heads, and that will never change.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post

    A huge chunk of the fanbase not only doesn't remember how Mattison had to work short handed, they never even paid enough attention at the time to realize it in the first place. He did a damn good job considering he had guys like Foxworth, Nakamura, Frank Walker, Fabian Washington, etc. to work with. He managed to get the most out of guys like Chris Carr and a very raw Cary Williams. I look at the defensive rosters for the seasons he ran the defense and wonder how the hell we ever beat anybody.

    There's just no explaining that to people. They either paid attention or they didn't. The grossly overgeneralized myth that Mattison was soft is ingrained in their heads, and that will never change.
    Ok, I'll defend Mattison to a point, but to say that looking at our defensive roster in the two years he was here, and wonder how we beat anybody is hilarious.

    We had Ed Reed almost at his best, Ray Lewis who was still a top tier ILB in those two seasons, Terrell Suggs, Cory Redding, Kelly Gregg, Jarret Johnson, oh and Haloti Ngata.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    A huge chunk of the fanbase not only doesn't remember how Mattison had to work short handed, they never even paid enough attention at the time to realize it in the first place. He did a damn good job considering he had guys like Foxworth, Nakamura, Frank Walker, Fabian Washington, etc. to work with. He managed to get the most out of guys like Chris Carr and a very raw Cary Williams. I look at the defensive rosters for the seasons he ran the defense and wonder how the hell we ever beat anybody.

    There's just no explaining that to people. They either paid attention or they didn't. The grossly overgeneralized myth that Mattison was soft is ingrained in their heads, and that will never change.
    I agree with you to a point.

    It is true that the cornerback position was severely lacking while Pops Mattison was the DC here.

    However, he had a pretty good group in the front-7. What drove me nuts with Mattison was he would constantly sent 3 or 4 rushers at the QB...and that was that. No blitz packages, no stunts...just a 3 or 4 man rush and everyone else dropping into zones.

    The best way to mask a deficient secondary is to get after the QB and force them to make errant throws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I agree with you to a point.

    It is true that the cornerback position was severely lacking while Pops Mattison was the DC here.

    However, he had a pretty good group in the front-7. What drove me nuts with Mattison was he would constantly sent 3 or 4 rushers at the QB...and that was that. No blitz packages, no stunts...just a 3 or 4 man rush and everyone else dropping into zones.

    The best way to mask a deficient secondary is to get after the QB and force them to make errant throws.
    And I, in turn, agree with you to a point, in that I agree that "most of the time", the best way to mask deficiencies in the secondary is to bring pressure. Doing so, of course, leaves defenders on an island.

    The secondary, at that time, was not one you'd feel particularly comfortable with on islands.




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