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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace



    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Ok, I'll defend Mattison to a point, but to say that looking at our defensive roster in the two years he was here, and wonder how we beat anybody is hilarious.

    We had Ed Reed almost at his best, Ray Lewis who was still a top tier ILB in those two seasons, Terrell Suggs, Cory Redding, Kelly Gregg, Jarret Johnson, oh and Haloti Ngata.
    Reed missed a lot of time during those years (5-6 games or so during 09-10). Ray was in his mid 30s, and did a great job as the field general, but was slowing down even then, but was still the glue that held it all together, no question. Suggs was banged up in 2009, was overweight, and was ineffective rushing the passer (4.5 sacks).

    So yes, we had them, and no doubt, Haloti was incredible in those days. The defense was good, overall. My point is Mattison deserves a lot of credit for that, rather than the endless stream of criticism he gets. With the other DC's you never hear that; but for some reason he gets remembered negatively. I don't get that.

    Mattison was often dealing with makeshift lineups and digging deep into the depth chart. Despite the strong points, there were more often than not, multiple weak links on the field that had to be papered over.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post

    Reed missed a lot of time during those years (5-6 games or so during 09-10). Ray was in his mid 30s, and did a great job as the field general, but was slowing down even then, but was still the glue that held it all together, no question. Suggs was banged up in 2009, was overweight, and was ineffective rushing the passer (4.5 sacks).

    So yes, we had them, and no doubt, Haloti was incredible in those days. The defense was good, overall. My point is Mattison deserves a lot of credit for that, rather than the endless stream of criticism he gets. With the other DC's you never hear that; but for some reason he gets remembered negatively. I don't get that.

    Mattison was often dealing with makeshift lineups and digging deep into the depth chart. Despite the strong points, there were more often than not, multiple weak links on the field that had to be papered over.
    And I agree, people forget, that defense was the 3rd ranked defense in 2009, and the 8th ranked defense in 2010 IIRC. Yes. It wasn't a flashy defense that would create mass amounts of pressure like in 06, 08, 11, or through the past 2 weeks like this defense. But it held teams to a very low amount of yardage and points, and helped us win a lot of games. The offense was a ball controlled offensive type unit that didn't score many points, so the defense must have been doing something right.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    A huge chunk of the fanbase not only doesn't remember how Mattison had to work short handed, they never even paid enough attention at the time to realize it in the first place. He did a damn good job considering he had guys like Foxworth, Nakamura, Frank Walker, Fabian Washington, etc. to work with. He managed to get the most out of guys like Chris Carr and a very raw Cary Williams. I look at the defensive rosters for the seasons he ran the defense and wonder how the hell we ever beat anybody.

    There's just no explaining that to people. They either paid attention or they didn't. The grossly overgeneralized myth that Mattison was soft is ingrained in their heads, and that will never change.
    I go back to the Pittburgh playoff and 3rd/19 and Pops gave RBerger all day whn he should have had pressure, but we didn't, he did, we lost, but oddly enough, I'd take him over Pees with this particular D.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    The secondary, at that time, was not one you'd feel particularly comfortable with on islands.
    Depends on what island. If you could have found one way the hell off the shipping lanes & arranged to have some of them left there...




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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Raven View Post
    ...for some reason [Mattison] gets remembered negatively. I don't get that.
    I think you've forgotten a few things that seemed rather pertinent at the time:. His connection with John Harbaugh--
    During his time at Western Michigan University, Mattison coached alongside John Harbaugh, who was a graduate assistant and assistant coach. Harbaugh, then head coach of the Baltimore Ravens, hired Mattison [in 2008] to coach the Ravens linebackers.
    --how little experience he had, at the time of hiring--
    The job was Mattison's first NFL coaching position in 37 years of coaching football.
    --& at the time he became defensive coordinator (in early 2009 after one year as LB coach).

    Mattison became the poster boy for Harbaugh's penchant for putting old friends & family connections on the Ravens coaching staff, seemingly without regard for whether they had the background or ability to do the job. Of all the hires that looked like nepotism, his seemed the most egregious.

    If someone with an NFL track record & no close ties to Clan Harbaugh had organized the defense the way Mattison did, he would have been given a lot more leeway by the fan base before the bitching & moaning began. But when "Pops" installed what looked to many here like a defective defensive philosophy, on the basis of one year's experience in the NFL (& that, it was darkly hinted, was purely a figleaf to allow Harbs to shove Rex out & move Greg in), the fat was in the fire.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by leachisabeast View Post
    Mattison called a top 10 defense in both of the seasons he was here.
    And if he called the defense some fans seem to have wanted him to, we would've led the league in big plays allowed.

    The defense looks like it's starting to jell. Manning's arm may be a noodle now, but he still has great vision, a great understanding of his offense, and great timing. He gets the ball out very quickly, which makes him very hard to sack. There aren't many QB's with the ability and the offensive scheme to do what he does.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    Sack rates change all the time. There is no way you can look at 3 games and accurately predict where the team will be by the end of season.
    You're right GOTA, they'll get 65 sacks.
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    But did anyone notice Cleveland on the list? Man.

    And don't say Kruger because he only has 1 sack (w/o Suggs), none since Week 1.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    But did anyone notice Cleveland on the list? Man.

    And don't say Kruger because he only has 1 sack (w/o Suggs), none since Week 1.
    Another brilliant Browns FO move... Kruger is going to be a huge bust for the amount of money they paid.




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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    You're right GOTA, they'll get 65 sacks.
    And Art Jones will have 15 of them because that the pace he's on
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    Re: The Ravens Sack Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    And Art Jones will have 15 of them because that the pace he's on
    Actually 16 is what he's on pace for.




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