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09-28-2013, 08:14 PM #85Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Art Jones
LukeDaniel, you make some great points, really appreciate discussing with you.
This is interesting and I'll admit that it a trend I havn't noticed. I'm sitting and trying to find comparable players who were free agents in respectively 2012 and 2013 to see if I can find some specific instances of this. The best one I found was Vincent Jackson in 2012 and Mike Wallace in 2013. Jackson got $11.5m/year, Wallace got $12m/year. I'm interested in seeing more comparisons, so feel free to post some if you can find some good ones.
I'm not so sure you can find many cases that backs up this claim. When I see extensions around the league those deals are almost always at market value. As to the bolded part: there's plenty of upside for the club. Preventing other teams from going beyond market value or structuring the deal in a way they can't match. Avoiding unflexible salaries, such as the last year of multi-year contract or franchise tag.
I know I'm being a little picky right now, but you mean $7.8m and not $8.4m (you've confused the current $4.6m bonus proration with the $4m bonus prorations for 2015/2016 he gets in your suggestion). And $7.8m in first-year payment with a new team? It's absolutely possible he gets that.
In your scenario Suggs receives $15.8m over the course of the first two years. If someone else offers him a 3-year $27m deal which is so frontloaded that it's feasible to cut him after just one year, then that means they have paid A LOT in year 1, and when i say a lot, i mean in the neighbourhood of the $15.8m you have him slotted to make over the course of two years with us. Also if he signs an extension with us, don't you think that would serve as an insurance that he retires a Raven? Suggs will probably be in the league beyond 2015, so I think that if he were to give us a "hometown-discount" (hate that term) then it would require a bit more contractual insurance than you're willing to give him.[/quote]
Yeah, but it's much more fun to discuss contract ideas than talking about who's going to get cut. So let's just keep the discussion at that.
I apologize if I come off as being dismissive of your suggestions. I just think it's a fun discussion to have.
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09-28-2013, 08:15 PM #86
Re: Art Jones
Trading Jones is an interesting option. I know trading is rare, but can anyone speculate what his return value would be in terms of picks?
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