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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)



    Quote Originally Posted by ERey View Post
    smh... when will these football analysts learn? Granted the article is for THIS YEAR and not a lifetime of work. But still, C'MON MAN!

    Philip Rivers who has never won anything and owns a losing record this year is ranked in the top 5 along with fellow loser record QB golden boy Matt Ryan. Flacco at 2-1 can't crack the top 10. He's "almost there". Quite comical actually.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...g-the-starters
    It looks pretty clear to me that it's based purely on the QBI. He laid that out in the title and first paragraph.

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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Eh, don't really care about what a talking head has to say about it. If you want telling stats (besides the obvious w/l record), then that one in another thread about 3rd down conversions is one for me. Third and long, everyone knows you're going to throw, and convert anyway? Damn.
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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr OC View Post
    Eh, don't really care about what a talking head has to say about it. If you want telling stats (besides the obvious w/l record), then that one in another thread about 3rd down conversions is one for me. Third and long, everyone knows you're going to throw, and convert anyway? Damn.

    On third down passes, Joe Flacco has gone 27-of-43 for 366 yards. His yardage total is 50 more than any other passer.

    If they can get the run game going and they get the play action going, the offense will take off. Plus more passing on first down.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    It looks pretty clear to me that it's based purely on the QBI. He laid that out in the title and first paragraph.

    The Quarterback Index: Ranking the starters
    He's much more arrogant that that. This is yet another index created from of course his big brain.
    Notes: These rankings are based off watching Game Rewind, but I like to cross-check them after I'm finished with some advanced metrics. My take on Rivers felt far less crazy when Football Outsiders,Pro Football Focus and ESPN's Total QBR each had Rivers No. 2 overall in the young season. (And those three sources rarely agree on the numbers.)
    I especially like mentioning the advanced metrics that aren't explained probably because it's much too complicated for us to understand. Some magical algorithm. I'll have him know I've had a magic 8 ball for years.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    He's much more arrogant that that. This is yet another index created from of course his big brain.I especially like mentioning the advanced metrics that aren't explained probably because it's much too complicated for us to understand. Some magical algorithm. I'll have him know I've had a magic 8 ball for years.
    Not quite sure how that's arrogant.




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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    My sig line says how I feel about J5. 11 TD's vs. 0 INT in the Playoffs tells me all I need to know about the guy. He's a gutsy guy you want when the shit's on the line.
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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Geez guys....he admits it's a statistical ranking...and he further admits regarding Flacco:

    Flacco has played better on Game Rewind than the metrics show.
    Flacco's numbers are not great because in 2 of the 3 games (CLE and HOU) he's gone up against some pretty tough defenses, so he was careful with the ball and, when the Ravens got the lead in the latter part of the game, they took the air out of the ball.

    In the third game he had Rick Wagner as his RT for most of the game, a defense that could pin its ears back, and a bunch of receivers dropping balls all over the field.

    I have no problem with the ranking and I have no problem with the way Flacco has played so far.




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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Geez guys....he admits it's a statistical ranking...and he further admits regarding Flacco:



    Flacco's numbers are not great because in 2 of the 3 games (CLE and HOU) he's gone up against some pretty tough defenses, so he was careful with the ball and, when the Ravens got the lead in the latter part of the game, they took the air out of the ball.

    In the third game he had Rick Wagner as his RT for most of the game, a defense that could pin its ears back, and a bunch of receivers dropping balls all over the field.

    I have no problem with the ranking and I have no problem with the way Flacco has played so far.
    But that doesn't fit the emotional meme that the media disrespects Flacco.
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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    But that doesn't fit the emotional meme that the media disrespects Flacco.
    A meme that is true.




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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    A meme that is true.
    Jaws says hello
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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Jaws says hello
    Jaws is the entire media?




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    But that doesn't fit the emotional meme that the media disrespects Flacco.
    Well, this writer has done a real good job of identifying exactly how he is ranking the QBs and clarifying that ranking with how they actually play during games...so I don't understand some folks' problem with this particular ranking.

    In general though, I think there is a bias towards the fantasy/mobile QB. And Flacco is just not a great fantasy QB and he is a pocket passer, so I do think "the media" devalues him to some extent because of a combination of (a) just looking at the fantasy stats (ie, "Schaub is better than Flacco because Flacco has never throw for 4K yards") and (b), especially pre-Caldwell, many of Joe's worst games were on national TV, and (c) the new fad towards mobile QBs.

    So I wouldn't call it "disrespect", rather a different way of valuing the QB position based on a somewhat limited perspective. They are looking for numbers and "flash". Joe is rather boring at times, which is why he wins more than he loses.

    So while I agree that Ravens fans sometimes over-react to these types of rankings, I do not think the the basic premise of the reaction (not respecting Flacco) is flawed.




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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Jaws is the entire media?
    No, and that's the larger point.

    Joe gets praise. Lots of it. But when one talking head in the media points out a statistical truth from this season, underwear gets sucked up into butts from the outrage.

    Thus, "the media" disrespects Joe meme is again wrongly perpetrated.
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    Re: Joe Flacco "Almost There" (not quite top 10)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBKistler View Post
    Well, this writer has done a real good job of identifying exactly how he is ranking the QBs and clarifying that ranking with how they actually play during games...so I don't understand some folks' problem with this particular ranking.

    In general though, I think there is a bias towards the fantasy/mobile QB. And Flacco is just not a great fantasy QB and he is a pocket passer, so I do think "the media" devalues him to some extent because of a combination of (a) just looking at the fantasy stats (ie, "Schaub is better than Flacco because Flacco has never throw for 4K yards") and (b), especially pre-Caldwell, many of Joe's worst games were on national TV, and (c) the new fad towards mobile QBs.

    So I wouldn't call it "disrespect", rather a different way of valuing the QB position based on a somewhat limited perspective. They are looking for numbers and "flash". Joe is rather boring at times, which is why he wins more than he loses.

    So while I agree that Ravens fans sometimes over-react to these types of rankings, I do not think the the basic premise of the reaction (not respecting Flacco) is flawed.
    That's fair.

    But there's still plenty of praise heaped on Joe. Enough to at least change the narrative to "some in the media still disrespect Joe".
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    That's fair.

    But there's still plenty of praise heaped on Joe. Enough to at least change the narrative to "some in the media still disrespect Joe".
    Oh I agree...it's kinda of hard to make the "Flacco is average at best" argument while staring at 11 TDs / 0 INTs and big damn ring.

    And those in the media that are not caught up in the fantasy football world of player rankings, and/or those (like Jawarski and Cossell) that do in fact take the time to watch all of Flacco's games do give Joe major props.

    And in general I think Flacco has earned "the media's" respect. While they still don't rank him that high based on "the numbers", you never, ever hear them say "team x just needs to stop Ray Rice and make Flacco beat you." You used to hear that all the time 2 years ago...now? Never.




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