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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving



    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    I don't think Ray is in a position of judging the Jones/McKinnie deal in terms of leadership or even what happened but . . .

    That mutiny may have been brought under control with the help of Ray Lewis. I believe the reason some of our guys like Pollard are gone is because without Ray in the locker room Harbaugh was unsure if they could be kept "in line". This might be part of the reason Reed and Boldin aren't here.
    I agree. I think Ray did a lot to smooth things over with the veteran players that weren't buying into Harbaugh's plan.

    It's just comical to me that Ray is questioning leadership because of an off field incident. There were plenty off field incidents during his 17 years here that he didn't say a damn thing about. No all of a sudden it's a lack of leadership because he's not on the team.




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    I remember listening to Cal Ripken call the playoff series between the O's and Yankees last year on TBS and it was almost like he was going out of his way to be super-critical of the O's so as to not sound like a homer. I wonder if the same phenomenon is happening here with Ray. Or he really thinks he was such an irreplacable leader that the team is going to fall apart without his Bible-thumping. Only 52 knows for sure.




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    *Sighs*.

    This was the tough part about Ray joining ESPN. You knew he was going to have to say some things the producers wanted him to say and you just knew some feathers would be ruffled.

    I guess the players sort of expected Ray to come to their defense and, I don't know if they expected him to buck the production meetings or what, but you could certainly see this sort of thing coming.

    Yes, it is a bit hypocritical, because Ray and Ed were the ones that lobbied for McKinnie to be here in the first place. The entire time he was here, their leadership did very little to keep Harbaugh from having to put his foot up McKinnie's ass constantly.

    However, I understand the business side of it.

    However, Ray did do his part as a leader to cool many flames during the past few years. Reed calling out Joe. The mutiny, the tension between Corey Graham and Chykie Brown, among others, during the AFC Championship Game.
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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Can't wait for Houston Raven's take.




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Just saw who asked Ray the question on camera. Trey Wingo, he is a sneaky Skip Assless. Watch out Ray, Wingo is a Ravens hater, always has been. Very sneaky though.




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    So apparently objective analysis is not what Ravens fans have been wanting all this time.

    Some are actually hoping for a Hoge clone, slobbering all over his former team, never saying anything remotely bad?
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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So apparently objective analysis is not what Ravens fans have been wanting all this time.

    Some are actually hoping for a Hoge clone, slobbering all over his former team, never saying anything remotely bad?
    It's not objective analysis that people have a problem with. It's being off base with said analysis.
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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    It's not objective analysis that people have a problem with. It's being off base with said analysis.
    And how is he off base? Did you expect the players to say "Yeah, things are a mess right now"?

    Ray was asked his opinion. He gave his opinion. Yes, that opinion may be off base. It may also be dead on. That's objective and what an analyst is suppose to say.

    We may never know. But I'm going to give him some credence given his time on the team and the friends he still has in that locker room.

    And he's not saying there's all kinds of issues going on. When players get themselves into distractions, it's a leadership issue on some level.
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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by HKusp View Post
    This.

    Mike Preston saying someone else is self serving is a big steaming pile of hypocrisy. Nothing more. He has always had it out for Ray Lewis. Always works that angle when talking about him.
    Preston's just mad that Ray is on ESPN and has a chance to speak to a national audience. meanwhile, back in Baltimore, preston is working for the sun papers.. LOL Preston now realizes that Ray is better then preston when it comes to saying things that upset people. Ray starting his new career, has accomplished all that he wanted in his football career, and now has an opportunity to win over football fans with what he knows. Good for Ray, tough shit for preston, all he will ever be is a hack writer who wants to tell people his views on how to play football.




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    When players get themselves into distractions, it's a leadership issue on some level.
    These guys are adults. What would've Ray done? How do we know this stuff didn't happen when Ray was here? This stuff could've been happening minus strippers hitting players with champagne bottles.

    Hell just look at McKinnie's instagram from last year. He was always at the club.




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    These guys are adults. What would've Ray done? How do we know this stuff didn't happen when Ray was here? This stuff could've been happening minus strippers hitting players with champagne bottles.

    Hell just look at McKinnie's instagram from last year. He was always at the club.
    Agreed. So?
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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Agreed. So?
    I guess my point is that Ray being here as a leader wouldn't have made a difference. I really doubt this is the first time that they've been out to the club with strippers. Also, I'm not against them going out. I just think the idea of the Ravens not having leaders is baseless. It's just my opinion. I'm fine with Ray saying whatever he wants, but not everyone will agree with him.

    This is from McKinnie's bday last year. http://instagram.com/p/QIVmgKwhl3/




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And how is he off base? Did you expect the players to say "Yeah, things are a mess right now"?

    Ray was asked his opinion. He gave his opinion. Yes, that opinion may be off base. It may also be dead on. That's objective and what an analyst is suppose to say.

    We may never know. But I'm going to give him some credence given his time on the team and the friends he still has in that locker room.

    And he's not saying there's all kinds of issues going on. When players get themselves into distractions, it's a leadership issue on some level.
    Right, but there were so many off the field issues while Ray was here. Not once did he say there was an issue with leadership. Now all of a sudden he's gone and 1 off field incident makes him question leadership?




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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    And how is he off base? Did you expect the players to say "Yeah, things are a mess right now"?

    Ray was asked his opinion. He gave his opinion. Yes, that opinion may be off base. It may also be dead on. That's objective and what an analyst is suppose to say.

    We may never know. But I'm going to give him some credence given his time on the team and the friends he still has in that locker room.

    And he's not saying there's all kinds of issues going on. When players get themselves into distractions, it's a leadership issue on some level.
    I'm not basing it off the players responses. I'm basing it off he isn't here, so he doesn't know.

    I think it's ridiculous to say what people do on their own time is "lack of leadership". If there was no champagne bottle, no one would even be talking about this.

    I'd imagine this shit happened all the time when he was hear it just didn't get out of hand, does that mean it was a lack of leadership when he was here? Or just because we didn't hear about it all was fine and dandy?

    His response may not have been self-serving (I think it was) and I don't expect Ray to be an advocate for all things Ravens. But to say guys acting like guys on a teammates birthday is because of lack of leadership is just silly.
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    Re: Mike Preston: Ray Lewis needs to stop being so self-serving

    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
    Right, but there were so many off the field issues while Ray was here. Not once did he say there was an issue with leadership. Now all of a sudden he's gone and 1 off field incident makes him question leadership?
    Current players don't air dirty laundry publicly so to hold Ray to that standard is unfair.

    Bettis once said on SNF football he'd never answer a question about what goes on behind the closed doors of the Steelers. This was when he left the team and was an analyst.

    Two things happened after he said that. Fans from 31 other teams went ballistic and screamed bias. He also lost his gig.
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