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  1. #31

    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?



    Angelos can certainly make requests. How do you think we've managed to not have any games on Labor day weekend the past 3 years for a stupid Grand Prix?




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    There is bad blood between the Orioles and Ravens. Reports are that the Orioles didn't even return calls about moving the game this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Angelos request to be at home every year on that Thursday.
    This isn't team vs. team. It's league vs. league. After the way the NFL went out of their way to spin this (successfully, mind you) including during the Ravens/Broncos broadcast, I am quite sure MLB is going out of their way to say "fuck you."

    That said, the NFL can and does make requests of MLB schedulers, the same way the Grand Prix organizers do. They could have requested keeping the date open this past year. They didn't because they were apparently unworried that the Ravens had a chance to win the SB, or they just assumed they'd be able to bully their way into the date they wanted. I haven't seen anything to suggest they requested MLB keep that date open next year either. The bottom line is, the NFL just doesn't care. Really. They could not give less of a crap whether Baltimore gets to host the season opener as a reward for winning the SB. They did not lose one thin dime by having it in Denver this year. And they didn't lose any PR capital either, because the entire country believes it is the Orioles fault.

    BTW, the big problem with Ravens and Orioles having games at the same time is that parking is sold to season ticket holders. So if you have 600 spaces in Lot B, for example, you have already sold 1200 tickets for that lot. That's why it can't work. You don't have that problem for the Navy game, since no parking has been sold yet.
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  3. #33

    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    This isn't team vs. team. It's league vs. league. After the way the NFL went out of their way to spin this (successfully, mind you) including during the Ravens/Broncos broadcast, I am quite sure MLB is going out of their way to say "fuck you."

    That said, the NFL can and does make requests of MLB schedulers, the same way the Grand Prix organizers do. They could have requested keeping the date open this past year. They didn't because they were apparently unworried that the Ravens had a chance to win the SB, or they just assumed they'd be able to bully their way into the date they wanted. I haven't seen anything to suggest they requested MLB keep that date open next year either. The bottom line is, the NFL just doesn't care. Really. They could not give less of a crap whether Baltimore gets to host the season opener as a reward for winning the SB. They did not lose one thin dime by having it in Denver this year. And they didn't lose any PR capital either, because the entire country believes it is the Orioles fault.

    BTW, the big problem with Ravens and Orioles having games at the same time is that parking is sold to season ticket holders. So if you have 600 spaces in Lot B, for example, you have already sold 1200 tickets for that lot. That's why it can't work. You don't have that problem for the Navy game, since no parking has been sold yet.
    Spare me the NFL hates Baltimore crap. There are only a handful of teams that this affects. The A's were off on Thursday this year, and apparently they aren't home next year. Do you think the NFL really thought the Raiders were going to win the Superbowl over the Ravens and put that request in? The Orioles refused to budge on moving the game. They didn't have to budge, but they could have done so easily.




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Which you were dead set against when this idea was floated earlier this year.

    Get your facts straight, Sonny!

    IIRC, the possibility of the O's playing a 10:30am game was never brought up for discussion when we were debating the Rosh Hashanna options. It would not have been feasible due to the late arriving baseball players on the prior Wednesday night, limiting any daytime scheduling.

    While highly unlikely that the O's would agree to play a late morning game such as the case of some college football games, it could be feasible if there were a predetermined time suspension, and a stern towing policy for towing stragglers' vehicles after 3 pm who don't pay for a parking double-dip.
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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    Spare me the NFL hates Baltimore crap. There are only a handful of teams that this affects. The A's were off on Thursday this year, and apparently they aren't home next year. Do you think the NFL really thought the Raiders were going to win the Superbowl over the Ravens and put that request in? The Orioles refused to budge on moving the game. They didn't have to budge, but they could have done so easily.
    I agree. The idea that MLB and the O's don't have any inkling of a potential conflict on that Thursday until someone "requests" the date is patently nonsense. They all got amnesia last Friday?




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Perhaps MLB should schedule all their teams to play at a neutral site on the 1st Thursday in September just to accommodate the NFL (?) What nonsense. Our Ravens won the Super Bowl and I'm crazy happy about it. I don't care that we played our opener in Denver, just that we lost... Bc




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Perhaps MLB should schedule all their teams to play at a neutral site on the 1st Thursday in September just to accommodate the NFL (?) What nonsense. Our Ravens won the Super Bowl and I'm crazy happy about it. I don't care that we played our opener in Denver, just that we lost... Bc
    All the teams do not have the potential conflict. And since there is no hardship at all to avoiding the conflict (the algorithm will still spit out a viable schedule without games on this day for those specific teams), then I don't see why MLB would want to risk another debacle and dose of bad PR, unless it places a value on "sticking it to their NFL counterpart."

    That said, I don't really care about opening on Thursday on the road after a title, but obviously many other people do.




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Perhaps MLB should schedule all their teams to play at a neutral site on the 1st Thursday in September just to accommodate the NFL (?) What nonsense. Our Ravens won the Super Bowl and I'm crazy happy about it. I don't care that we played our opener in Denver, just that we lost... Bc
    Most of the 30 MLB teams don't have the potential for a scheduling conflict with the NFL as pointed out before. Specifically on point about a SB champion playing the NFL opener at home the number of teams impacted is reduced to just one, the Ravens. Throw every other MLB and NFL team out of the discussion, this is specific to Baltimore. Suggesting every MLB team schedule to a neutral site is dramatic nonsense.

    MLB and the Orioles released this schedule right after the discussion from last year's conflict was concluded on a national broadcast of the game that created the controversy. The ratings for the game were very high so the NFL is sure to keep this game on Thursday in the future. Call them greedy, but they only have 16 games and the playoffs to generate their revenue, not 162+. Believe what you want, but with full knowledge of the controversy created with the Ravens on opening day this schedule set the stage for this to happen again. Coincidence? I don't think so. This is the opposite of goodwill, it's an FU.




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    Most of the 30 MLB teams don't have the potential for a scheduling conflict with the NFL as pointed out before. Specifically on point about a SB champion playing the NFL opener at home the number of teams impacted is reduced to just one, the Ravens. Throw every other MLB and NFL team out of the discussion, this is specific to Baltimore. Suggesting every MLB team schedule to a neutral site is dramatic nonsense.

    MLB and the Orioles released this schedule right after the discussion from last year's conflict was concluded on a national broadcast of the game that created the controversy. The ratings for the game were very high so the NFL is sure to keep this game on Thursday in the future. Call them greedy, but they only have 16 games and the playoffs to generate their revenue, not 162+. Believe what you want, but with full knowledge of the controversy created with the Ravens on opening day this schedule set the stage for this to happen again. Coincidence? I don't think so. This is the opposite of goodwill, it's an FU.
    Based on what happenned last Thursday, perhaps MLB made the assumption that the Ravens were not a risk to repeat as champions.




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    Quote Originally Posted by somedumbguy View Post
    Based on what happenned last Thursday, perhaps MLB made the assumption that the Ravens were not a risk to repeat as champions.
    Based on the success of the Orioles for decades it's much easier to conclude they're envious of the Ravens success.




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    Spare me the NFL hates Baltimore crap. There are only a handful of teams that this affects. The A's were off on Thursday this year, and apparently they aren't home next year. Do you think the NFL really thought the Raiders were going to win the Superbowl over the Ravens and put that request in? The Orioles refused to budge on moving the game. They didn't have to budge, but they could have done so easily.
    Where did I say the NFL hates Baltimore? I said the NFL doesn't care. The NFL is about making money, as is any other good business. Do you really think that the NFL is upset about having to play the season opener in Denver this year? If so, i would love to hear why.

    As for "they could have done so easily", that's nonsense. There was no way to move the game earlier. Period. Cannot be done. They share parking, and baseball is not on a clock, so you can't guarantee the game wouldn't have gone extra innings. They could have moved to a double-header over the weekend, but anyone who thinks that is 'easily' done doesn't understand baseball. Then you risk rainout further complicating things. Not to mention the fact that it wasn't a decision the Orioles could have made. The White Sox would have had to agree to it too.

    You may not like baseball, but the Orioles are in a pennant race. One game matters a LOT right now. And playing a double-header is not good for a baseball team. Period. Full stop.

    What could have been done 'easily' is for the NFL to play on Wednesday. Hell, they did it last year. And I point to that as Exhibit A to support the fact that the NFL didn't care whether the game was played in Baltimore or not.
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    As it stands, I literally hate the Orioles for pulling this routine once. Twice and something needs to be done.

    The city needs to do something about this. Pass some kind of resolution that whichever event is a bigger draw for the town gets the parking lots and the smaller event gets relocated to UMBC or UMD.




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by PurpleSunday View Post
    By my count, there are eight cities that would have a tough time hosting an MLB and NFL game in one day due to shared parking/facilities - Baltimore, Cincinnatti, Oakland, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, and Seattle. Only one of those eight baseball teams has a home game on 9/4. Coincidence?? I think not. SMH!
    That is pretty trifling.
    I take it as a personal "fuck you" from my hometown baseball team.

    We take 70 some members to the O's $35 "All you cane eat" game in the left field suites every year. It's a good party, but I'm going to make a motion the Roost boycotts 'em next year.

    There really is no excuse for that kind of professional misbehaviour.
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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Where did I say the NFL hates Baltimore? I said the NFL doesn't care. The NFL is about making money, as is any other good business. Do you really think that the NFL is upset about having to play the season opener in Denver this year? If so, i would love to hear why.

    As for "they could have done so easily", that's nonsense. There was no way to move the game earlier. Period. Cannot be done. They share parking, and baseball is not on a clock, so you can't guarantee the game wouldn't have gone extra innings. They could have moved to a double-header over the weekend, but anyone who thinks that is 'easily' done doesn't understand baseball. Then you risk rainout further complicating things. Not to mention the fact that it wasn't a decision the Orioles could have made. The White Sox would have had to agree to it too.

    You may not like baseball, but the Orioles are in a pennant race. One game matters a LOT right now. And playing a double-header is not good for a baseball team. Period. Full stop.

    What could have been done 'easily' is for the NFL to play on Wednesday. Hell, they did it last year. And I point to that as Exhibit A to support the fact that the NFL didn't care whether the game was played in Baltimore or not.
    One league is growing, the other is dying. The trend is not good for baseball.

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    The marque games of the world series had less than half the viewership that the Ravens/Broncos opening game. Heck, even the NFL combine managed 7.25m viewers compares to the WS at 7.6m. While Baseball is becoming more irrelevant each year the NFL is surging and isn't going to be bothered by their silliness. MLB is a nuisance, not competition.




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    Re: Did the Orioles/MLB schedule another home game on the first Thursday in September again?

    Quote Originally Posted by downside52 View Post
    As it stands, I literally hate the Orioles for pulling this routine once...
    Oh you mean that the Orioles should have taken into consideration that the Ravens may have won the Super Bowl ? ... Bc

    Quote Originally Posted by downside52 View Post
    Twice and something needs to be done.
    YES, call out the National Guard and let's get armed troops to deny the O's a baseball game so that the Ravens can (if they repeat as Super Bowl champions) play on that Thursday night... Bc

    Quote Originally Posted by downside52 View Post
    The city needs to do something about this. Pass some kind of resolution that whichever event is a bigger draw for the town gets the parking lots and the smaller event gets relocated to UMBC or UMD.
    YES again, let's forget about crime, poverty, and eroding infrastructure, but put all our municipal eggs in the "Orioles / Ravens" basket... Bc




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