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08-29-2013, 02:49 PM #265Veteran Poster
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08-29-2013, 02:52 PM #266Pro Bowl Poster
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Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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08-29-2013, 03:07 PM #268
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Why not? The Ravens could have offered NE a 6th round pick, which they then could have used to move up with their 4th round pick. Also, NE was moving back from #24 to #27 with the trade with the Cowboys. With the Ravens, they would have only been moving from #24 to #25. It should take less if the team you are trading with is only moving back one spot instead of three.
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New England clearly wanted picks in those middle rounds.
You are suggesting that New England take a pick 3 rounds lower. It takes less to move back one spot, but not that much to move back 3...especially in the last part of the first round.
FWIW, if we were New England and wanted a guy like McCourty, and took a 6th round pick to move back one spot when we could have had a 3 while still in range of the guy we wanted, I'd be pretty pissed.Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.
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08-29-2013, 03:19 PM #270Veteran Poster
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I think his point is that it wouldn't be a case of a 6th instead of a 3rd, it would be a case of a 4th and 6th vs. a (late) 3rd.
In the New England - Dallas trade, New England did not gain any picks. They traded 2 picks for 2 picks. The #24 and #119 for #27 and #90.
Dirt is saying we could have offered a full extra pick to New England to move up the one spot, giving New England a completely extra pick in the draft just to move back 1 spot in the 1st round.
That said, I do not think a (late) 6th would have done it. New England likes to come out "on top" in terms of the Draft Pick Trade Value chart. They would have likely needed a 5th or maybe even a 5th and 6th. And they might not have wanted any part of helping a fellow AFC competitor.
Nothing is a given, but we did have enough to make a fair offer to move up one spot. It would have required us trading multiple picks for a single pick.
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08-29-2013, 03:23 PM #271
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I think we have our number 1 and his name is Torrey Smith.
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08-29-2013, 03:45 PM #273
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Thanks. This is what I meant. In addition, NE could have packaged their 4th round pick with the extra 6th round pick they got from the Ravens to move up a number of spots in a trade with another team, just as they did with the Cowboys trade. I just don't buy that the Ravens FO could not have put together a package to move up one spot from #25 to #24 in the first round that year, if they had wanted to. I don't think they wanted to do it, because they don't trust their ability to evaluate WRs. The Ravens and NE have made first round trades before (Boller).
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08-29-2013, 03:52 PM #275Pro Bowl Poster
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Agreed, but Greg Jennings, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Stevie Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Kenny Britt, Vincent Jackson and many other established receivers in the NFL weren't top-15 picks.
For whatever reason, until Torrey, the Ravens have not scouted or drafted receivers well at all.Disclaimer: The content posted is of my own opinion.
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