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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    LOL. You think you deserve brownie points for remaining "calm"? The discussions about the WRs have been, for the most part, on target, and appropriate. The reality is there was a clear cut problem; the FO moved to stop some of the bleeding with Stokley and Clark (while the "calm" people were advocating waiting until the end of the preseason cuts); the "plan" for Doss & Reed to emerge failed, but was balanced by the emergence of Brown and Mellette. And most posters were giving opinions along the way; exactly what should happen during a preseason with this many changes. And aside from one poster on the Sun board (Gordon Colston) who is turning every thread into a "WOE IS ME BOLDIN IS GONE" thread, most of the posters here have gotten over that and have moved on.
    how do you know whats appropriate? youre saying its appropriate to panic because of what you saw in the preseason? or what you heard from a "opinion" in a report? the point is that what the fans think, and what the coaches think, and even reality can be 3 different things. there wasnt necessarily a problem for them to add stokely, who was said to only be brought in for a chance (not really a ringing endorsement for fixing all of our "issues"). We also went out and got Delone Carter, does that mean we have an issue at RB? they saw value and even if it was a problem, by signing stokely its addressed, right? so why is it still being talked about as our downfall? we wont know 100% until the season. its possible its an issue, but the coaches dont seem to be to worried about it. were not even passing that much in the preseason to test these guys, which to me means theyve seen enough to know what they have.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yup. It's most definitely an annual thing on these boards.

    One year it was the CB's, the next it was the LB's and now it's the WR's. Heck, there was even a time here when the backup QB situation was the cause for some to declare our downfall.

    If this team didn't have a track record of success, I'd understand the level of concern.

    But here we are. I get it though. People are passionate and it manifests itself in different ways. It's all good.
    I get passion, but it just seems the team should have earned at least a little room for this kind of thing with their history. every year since harbs has been here theres been a "glaring hole" on this roster and yet we continue to be a SB contender year in year out despite it. In some cases, that weakness even becoming a strength, just to show how off the fan base was and coaches werent. until they prove to me that they DONT know what theyre doing, im going to continue to trust them in their decisions.
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  2. #212

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAB1985 View Post
    how do you know whats appropriate? youre saying its appropriate to panic because of what you saw in the preseason? or what you heard from a "opinion" in a report? the point is that what the fans think, and what the coaches think, and even reality can be 3 different things. there wasnt necessarily a problem for them to add stokely, who was said to only be brought in for a chance (not really a ringing endorsement for fixing all of our "issues"). We also went out and got Delone Carter, does that mean we have an issue at RB? they saw value and even if it was a problem, by signing stokely its addressed, right? so why is it still being talked about as our downfall? we wont know 100% until the season. its possible its an issue, but the coaches dont seem to be to worried about it. were not even passing that much in the preseason to test these guys, which to me means theyve seen enough to know what they have.
    You still don't get it, do you? Talking about real problems is not panicking; it's simply paying attention. And there wasn't necessarily a problem that caused the FO to bring in Stokley and/or Clark? Now that's just ridiculous. As jsmoove pointed out, WR has been an ongoing issue/problem with the Ravens for years. It wasn't until Smith, then later Jones, that they actually had an authentic speed burner on the outside -- since the original Stokley days. That's just pitiable in this day and age. So while other areas deserve credit, WR is not one of them.




  3. #213

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yup. It's most definitely an annual thing on these boards.

    One year it was the CB's, the next it was the LB's and now it's the WR's. Heck, there was even a time here when the backup QB situation was the cause for some to declare our downfall.

    If this team didn't have a track record of success, I'd understand the level of concern.

    But here we are. I get it though. People are passionate and it manifests itself in different ways. It's all good.
    And there WAS a problem at CB after C-Mac. It wasn't until Webb that it began to turn around. Martin, Washington, Foxworth, Rolle in his waning years. (I still remember Roethlisberger literally pointing to his WR at around the 15 yard line telling him he was going to get the ball because Rolle was playing 12 yards off the LOS, and then throwing him the ball for an easy first down in the red zone. It was embarrassing.) So according to you that shouldn't have been talked about? Really? LOL. That's comical.

    And I guess all the yearly ritual criticism of Cam Cameron was just panicking too, huh? And the fact that until Cameron got canned the offense wasn't able to kick into high gear and go on to win it all? Yeah, right.
    Last edited by RavensRule21215; 08-29-2013 at 08:15 AM.




  4. #214

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsmoove View Post
    Wide reciever HAS ALWAYS AND ALMOST been an area of need on this team its only been about 2yrs we have had consistency at the position with the emergence of Torrey and Boldin being here along with Derrick Mason for a season with Boldin, before then all we had was Mason and before Mason we had well no one. So WR as always been a hot topic here, now we some what back to being inconsistent but if Brown and Melette continue to step up then a this will all be a moot point come next season.
    And even with Mason, he was basically a slot/possession receiver being used as a #1 wideout because the Ravens lacked a true #1 wideout. And it's no coincidence that until the Ravens got the passing game clicking with legitimate deep threats, they didn't win a Super Bowl.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    And even with Mason, he was basically a slot/possession receiver being used as a #1 wideout because the Ravens lacked a true #1 wideout. And it's no coincidence that until the Ravens got the passing game clicking with legitimate deep threats, they didn't win a Super Bowl.
    Well, except for the one that they did win. Without any deep threats.
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  6. #216

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    He did when he reaced for Boller who set us back 5 years and that's what Billick said
    even though he pushed Oz to get him. It cost us Wilfork the following year getting us
    stuck with Swan Edwards.

    Stokely isn't a panic move but an anxious one.
    That's looking at it in a vacuum though. We actually wanted Leftwich. If that had happened, our QB situation would have been no better and we wouldn't have Suggs. If we stuck and got Wilfork, we probably don't have Ngata now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Well, except for the one that they did win. Without any deep threats.
    The exception that proves the rule. The league has changed since then, and almost every Super Bowl winner has understood that and adapted, including the Ravens. Do you think Eli would be the same without Cruz? Or that Ben would have been as successful without Holmes and some of the other speed burners? I doubt it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    The exception that proves the rule. The league has changed since then, and almost every Super Bowl winner has understood that and adapted, including the Ravens. Do you think Eli would be the same without Cruz? Or that Ben would have been as successful without Holmes and some of the other speed burners? I doubt it.
    Well, Eli's first SB victory was won with Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Steve Smith and David Tyree; none of which are deep/vertical/speed guys.

    That wasn't that long ago.
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    Re: Marlon Brown

    You don't need a top tier "elite" receiver to win a Super Bowl.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    So according to you that shouldn't have been talked about? Really? LOL. That's comical.
    Please show me where I ever said we shouldn't talk about it. I'll wait.

    And I'd ask you not to characterize mine or anyone else's opinions as comical. ALL opinions are welcome here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    You still don't get it, do you? Talking about real problems is not panicking; it's simply paying attention. And there wasn't necessarily a problem that caused the FO to bring in Stokley and/or Clark? Now that's just ridiculous. As jsmoove pointed out, WR has been an ongoing issue/problem with the Ravens for years. It wasn't until Smith, then later Jones, that they actually had an authentic speed burner on the outside -- since the original Stokley days. That's just pitiable in this day and age. So while other areas deserve credit, WR is not one of them.
    Worth discussing sure. Acting like its a dire situation thats going to be our downfall to our playoff/SB chances? No. Thats panic.

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    And there WAS a problem at CB after C-Mac. It wasn't until Webb that it began to turn around. Martin, Washington, Foxworth, Rolle in his waning years. (I still remember Roethlisberger literally pointing to his WR at around the 15 yard line telling him he was going to get the ball because Rolle was playing 12 yards off the LOS, and then throwing him the ball for an easy first down in the red zone. It was embarrassing.) So according to you that shouldn't have been talked about? Really? LOL. That's comical.

    And I guess all the yearly ritual criticism of Cam Cameron was just panicking too, huh? And the fact that until Cameron got canned the offense wasn't able to kick into high gear and go on to win it all? Yeah, right.
    again, discussing an issue and panicking are two different things. saying we could be better without Cameron, is a legitimate topic for discussion. saying we cannot possibly win with Cameron is something else entirely which has been proven false year after year that he was here. same with our DBs, as much as they struggled early, we still were a SB contender and they got better as the season progressed. Same thing I trust the WRs will do this year. not unlike when Torrey was a rookie and couldnt catch a cold in preseason. by week 2 or 3 he was an integral part of a near SB team (who was let down by the guy that had a great preseason). We have the history that says our coaching staff will coach whatever talent to be their best and succeed as a team.
    Last edited by JAB1985; 08-29-2013 at 09:54 AM.
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    Re: Marlon Brown

    I just want to see a dynamic passing attack, resulting in an offense that consistently scores pretty close to 28-30 points/game. Whether that includes an "elite" WR on the roster or not isn't as important to me. When you give your QB a $120 million contract, you would think that the FO would make getting him quality WRs a priority. While I don't want the Ravens to become a "pass-happy" team, I also don't think that they can be a "run-first" team with a QB making as much as Flacco is making.
    Last edited by Dirt1; 08-29-2013 at 10:04 AM.




  13. #223

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well, Eli's first SB victory was won with Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Steve Smith and David Tyree; none of which are deep/vertical/speed guys.

    That wasn't that long ago.
    At that time, Burress was a beast in the red zone. Just look at what happened after Burress got hurt. It took years to replace him and what he was able to produce.

    As far as Toomer and Smith, they were better than Reed/Doss by a country mile. They also had Boss, who was solid at TE, and Bradshaw and Jacobs at RB. So they were solid across the board, with a world class D-Line and spotty CBs. They were also a very well coached team.
    Last edited by RavensRule21215; 08-29-2013 at 10:38 AM.




  14. #224

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    You don't need a top tier "elite" receiver to win a Super Bowl.
    smh...yet again a poster putting up a straw man argument. NO ONE said the receivers had to be "elite". The Ravens proved that last year. Smith is good, but not elite. Same with Boldin. Not a single Ravens receiver went to the Pro Bowl (Jones went as a ST'er). The difference between the garbage (Reed/Doss) that the Ravens put out there at the beginning of the season to replace Boldin and "elite" is so vast it doesn't even merit discussion.




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    Re: Marlon Brown

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Please show me where I ever said we shouldn't talk about it. I'll wait.

    And I'd ask you not to characterize mine or anyone else's opinions as comical. ALL opinions are welcome here.
    Really? So it's fine for YOU to post "LOL" comments, but not anyone else? Got it.




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