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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Also I'm pretty sure Ricky Wagner had a really solid game in pass pro at LT (didn't may much attention too run blocking).
    Well that's good.

    How awesome would it be if Wagner ended up being a pretty good LT? He has the size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    he looked like he dinged his shoulder after that play too. grimaced in pain a little. Hillis is a big boy, so probably nothing serious for Elam. But his shoulder did take some impact there.
    Which is why I do slightly worry about his health long term.




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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Well that's good.

    How awesome would it be if Wagner ended up being a pretty good LT? He has the size.
    I was very surprised at how big he looked at the Annapolis practice.
    Never "saw" him as big at Wisconsin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justlovemybirds View Post
    Which is why I do slightly worry about his health long term.
    He'll learn...better technique and timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngata Da Vida View Post
    I don't remember seeing a whole lot of McClellan - what unit was he running with?
    He was in on the short TD run. Both him and Simon got trucked on that play.

    Simon went the aggressive route, but got bent by the RT (IIRC), while McClellan was "stuck in read" mode and got steamrolled pretty much where he stood, instead of filling the hole.
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    Maybe Joe thought he had Dmase still out there running the comeback. There was no finer receiver than Mason running the comeback.

    Wish there was a better opportunity for Bobby Rainey to see playing time during the regular season. We are lucky to have a legit #2 in the #3 spot.

    Tyrod will get a chance to start for someone after his contract is up. With the current love for the read option, he has to look good to someone. For once in the last few years, I am not as worried if Joe goes down.

    Laquan Williams looks like he might be a contributor this year. Could you imagine Torrey, Laquan and Matt F on the field at once? How often would you see 3 players in skills positions all from the same school on the field at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Jacoby had chance after chance in HOU to seize a #2 role and failed to do so. He was cut. And we were one of the few teams that wanted him (I think us and Carolina?).

    The only value he has is returns and as a burner in deep packages. Kind of a 2 trick pony.

    He lacks expected WR traits like hands and route running. And with Caldwell seemingly using the middle of the field more, I don't trust Jacoby to succeed in that area either.

    If he is our #2 I think our passing game struggles. Not drafting a WR until rd 7 seems a little silly now.
    I agree that he is not a true #2 but unless one of these young receivers can step up and lay claim to it we may have to settle. The one thing that will help these young receivers is that we have a QB that can put the ball where it needs to be. If Brady, Manning, Rodgers can take no name receivers and make them house hold names so can Flacco. Let's see who steps up and really wants to play football, it's there for the taking.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bt12483 View Post
    Jacoby had chance after chance in HOU to seize a #2 role and failed to do so. He was cut. And we were one of the few teams that wanted him (I think us and Carolina?).

    The only value he has is returns and as a burner in deep packages. Kind of a 2 trick pony.

    He lacks expected WR traits like hands and route running. And with Caldwell seemingly using the middle of the field more, I don't trust Jacoby to succeed in that area either.

    If he is our #2 I think our passing game struggles. Not drafting a WR until rd 7 seems a little silly now.
    I agree about Jacoby, but that last sentence I don't. No reason to panic yet.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    I agree about Jacoby, but that last sentence I don't. No reason to panic yet.
    Simon/Juice seem like they could turn out but I thought one of our 4th rounders would be a WR for sure.




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    The pick was mostly Jacoby's fault. The throw was a smidgen late, and Gorrer made a great break/jump, but Jacoby just stood there vs. working back.

    The problem was that it was 3rd and 15, and "working back to the ball" was going to mean a failure to pick up the 1st down. So Jacoby mistakenly waited and waited, wanting the 1st down, instead of coming back to the ball for a 13 yard completion. The latter is much preferable; we could have had a longish, ~50yd FG attempt, gone for a short 4th down, or even a punted, with all being better results than an INT, obviously.

    The route either needs to be run deeper so that any comeback does not make a completion short of the sticks. Or the throw has to be made way earlier or a lot harder so that the ball arrives as Jones stops (just beyond the sticks). That said, I am sure the 3rd and 15 route gets less practice reps than the 3rd and 10 route, so the down and distance might have been the biggest contributor.

    I also am not sure Jones was the best target there.


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    We do not have a #2 wr that can get open when the Ravens run a traditional I formation with Leach in the game. The running game is not good enough to require other teams to sell out to stop it. The play action game out of that set it is abysmal. Guys just don't get open. That is why last night you saw most of the passes go to the rbs. It has been like that for 4 years. By the way most teams in the league would be in the same boat. To me the running game is no better with Leach in than it is out of a single back. Other than in goal line and short yardage situations. With the first team offense in there they tried to establish the run and could not. I hope in game two we see more single back and more open offense out of our first team. Maybe they were just trying to ease the starters into live game action.




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    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    We do not have a #2 wr that can get open when the Ravens run a traditional I formation with Leach in the game. The running game is not good enough to require other teams to sell out to stop it. The play action game out of that set it is abysmal. Guys just don't get open. That is why last night you saw most of the passes go to the rbs. It has been like that for 4 years. By the way most teams in the league would be in the same boat. To me the running game is no better with Leach in than it is out of a single back. Other than in goal line and short yardage situations. With the first team offense in there they tried to establish the run and could not. I hope in game two we see more single back and more open offense out of our first team. Maybe they were just trying to ease the starters into live game action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    Are you basing all this off one preseaon game?
    It was like this last year before Caldwell took over. Boldin and Tsmith were outside. Boldin could not get separation and they would throw deep to Tsmith whether he was covered or not. That was basically the play action game under Cam with Leach on the field. I was hoping that they would still run the offense that they ran successfully at the end of last year last night. I was hoping for more 1 back formations so we could get a look at the receivers battling for the 2 and 3 spot. Example would be the Pierce run last night out of a single back formation.




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    Quote Originally Posted by srobert96 View Post
    It was like this last year before Caldwell took over. Boldin and Tsmith were outside. Boldin could not get separation and they would throw deep to Tsmith whether he was covered or not. That was basically the play action game under Cam with Leach on the field. I was hoping that they would still run the offense that they ran successfully at the end of last year last night. I was hoping for more 1 back formations so we could get a look at the receivers battling for the 2 and 3 spot. Example would be the Pierce run last night out of a single back formation.
    Yeah, but I don't think they are going to tip their hand on what the offensive scheme is going to be this year.

    My take on preseason is it's to measure guys on individual performances and to get people up to the speed of the game. Not to run the offense you're going to run for the year. That's what practice and maybe the 3rd preseason games is for.
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    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/b...,1737462.story

    ** The first-team offense used at least a couple of bunch formations with two wide receivers and a tight end bunched together on one side of the formation and a third receiver alone on the other side. This is one of the wrinkles that offensive coordinator Jim Caldwell has added to the offense, because we didn’t see these types of formations often under Cam Cameron, who preferred to spread the field and attack the sidelines, not the middle of the field as much.




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