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    Ask Zimmerman if he got the short end of the stick as OBY smoothly plays the race card once again. I'm talking about certain situations like this and the one I was in at work.
    Discrimination comes in various shapes and forms and the minorities don't corner the
    market on being discriminated against. Just saying, ya know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Yes, there's definitely hypocrisy in the manner in which race is dealt with in some circles, particularly the media. But my point is why even point our the race at all.

    As to your second point, no other victim comes close to black crime than blacks themselves. If we're going to parse out crime based on race of the criminal / victim, that's the worst tragedy of them all.
    1. The pointing out is being done by Sharpton, et al. To point out the hypocrisy requires some pointing as well. Are you suggesting we just ignore these race hustlers? I think it needs to be made plainly clear that he is a liar and blackmailer.

    2. You are correct but the hucksters and this thread are about cross-race crime.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Discrimination comes in various shapes and forms and the minorities don't corner the
    market on being discriminated against. Just saying, ya know?
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    It's not comparable at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    1. The pointing out is being done by Sharpton, et al. To point out the hypocrisy requires some pointing as well. Are you suggesting we just ignore these race hustlers? I think it needs to be made plainly clear that he is a liar and blackmailer.

    2. You are correct but the hucksters and this thread are about cross-race crime.
    There's nothing hypocritical about being a single issue advocate who doesn't get involved in events unrelated to that issue. Sharpton and Jackson, whether you agree with them or not, focus their efforts on what they perceive as discrimination against blacks. Since that isn't the issue here why should they comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    It's not comparable at all.
    It is when you're the one being discriminated vs. I made that statement in a
    Toastmasters speech and the minorities in the audience applauded me.


    Again, I say this is in certain situations but I lived with discrimination every day
    for 8 years. I didn't describe half of it.

    The point goes back to the libs playing the race card with Zs own prez attacking him and
    in the last 2 elections with OBY running the slimiest campaign in history and Romney didn't fight back. He was scared to. He didn't even go for the jugular in the debates by hitting him with Libya for fear of back lash and OBY is still playing the race card according to the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    It is when you're the one being discriminated vs. I made that statement in a
    Toastmasters speech and the minorities in the audience applauded me.


    Again, I say this is in certain situations but I lived with discrimination every day
    for 8 years. I didn't describe half of it.

    The point goes back to the libs playing the race card with Zs own prez attacking him and
    in the last 2 elections with OBY running the slimiest campaign in history and Romney didn't fight back. He was scared to. He didn't even go for the jugular in the debates by hitting him with Libya for fear of back lash and OBY is still playing the race card according to the link.
    Cut it out with the Lib BS. Both parties are full of shit and full of liars, cheaters and all types of political slime. As if all this countries problems are due to Dems or due to Repubs...it's a joke.

    As for your discrimination, I'm sorry and I know it stinks...but do you really want to go tit for tat on instances of perceived discrimination? As an African American who has experienced redlining by banks and housing developments, problems getting loans that my white friends get with ease with the same credit ratings, problems finding employment despite having high qualifications and the same promotion problems you described...and many others.

    I'm not turning this into a woe is me post, but it's not comparable. For every instance you can come up with, there are numerous minorities that face it every day.



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    Sure all politicians lie and cheat. That's a requirement for the job. We got Tricky Dick on one side and Slick Willie on the other but we're talking race here and this president is the first to play the race card and the last two candidates vs him were afraid to attack him because of it. Ive given a couple of links and can provide more.

    I can take you down to the Metro WEst bldg on Green St and show you hundreds of minorities that made it and same with APG. I have wonderful neighbors in this condo bldg that got the credit to move out here and they're driving Lexis and BMWs.

    Again, I'm talking about certain situations where the tables are turned and where the
    race card is played and the president of the U.S attacking private individual even after
    the case is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Sure all politicians lie and cheat. That's a requirement for the job. We got Tricky Dick on one side and Slick Willie on the other but we're talking race here and this president is the first to play the race card and the last two candidates vs him were afraid to attack him because of it. Ive given a couple of links and can provide more.

    I can take you down to the Metro WEst bldg on Green St and show you hundreds of minorities that made it and same with APG. I have wonderful neighbors in this condo bldg that got the credit to move out here and they're driving Lexis and BMWs.

    Again, I'm talking about certain situations where the tables are turned and where the
    race card is played and the president of the U.S attacking private individual even after
    the case is over.
    I never said minorities never "made it". I, myself make good money and I dont really want for anything.

    That doesnt mean that I or others hav3nt been discriminated against at various points in our lives just because we drive a luxury car.

    As for Obama, he is black, and based on history, we have a natural skepticism of some of these laws and authority figures. Non-minorities wont understand though. Hell, there was a judge in Pennsylvania who got caught basically selling youths to a local detention center...recieved over 2.5 million dollars to hand out harsh and sometimes unnecessary sentences. Im black obviously and I'm not happy with the way the Zimmerman situation played out. I don't think anything he said was inflammatory. ..sorry if you dont want to hear it or think a black man shouldnt ever mention anything about race. It's real to a LOT of us out here and even those minorities you point to as having material things likely experienced some of what he and others have talked about.

    There are still minorities that hadto fight for the right to vote and simply for the right to sit in a deli and order something to eat. We have made a lot of progress, but there still is a ways to go...white male privilege is still real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    I never said minorities never "made it". I, myself make good money and I dont really want for anything.

    That doesnt mean that I or others hav3nt been discriminated against at various points in our lives just because we drive a luxury car.

    And like I said, I've been discriminated vs and so have others I know.



    As for Obama, he is black, and based on history, we have a natural skepticism of some of these laws and authority figures. Non-minorities wont understand though. Hell, there was a judge in Pennsylvania who got caught basically selling youths to a local detention center...recieved over 2.5 million dollars to hand out harsh and sometimes unnecessary sentences. Im black obviously and I'm not happy with the way the Zimmerman situation played out. I don't think anything he said was inflammatory. ..sorry if you dont want to hear it or think a black man shouldnt ever mention anything about race. It's real to a LOT of us out here and even those minorities you point to as having material things likely experienced some of what he and others have talked about.

    It's the constant playing of race card by the president of the U.S as the link showed.
    You just don't want to hear that. That never happened before and you don't want to
    hear that. And there are white ghettos with millions in them that you don't want to talk about. I'll show you the Jewish ghettos over in West Balto and then take you to NY and the DC ghettos.


    There are still minorities that hadto fight for the right to vote and simply for the right to sit in a deli and order something to eat. We have made a lot of progress, but there still is a ways to go...white male privilege is still real.


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    The entire population of the world was enslaved by the Roman Empire for
    hundreds of years and others before that. Read the story how 300 Spartans died
    as free men defending Greece from 100,000 Persians centuries ago. Our entire country fought for the right to vote when it left England and thousands died for it.

    It took minorities a lot longer but they got it and with the help of whites like LBJ and
    Congress that made The Civil Rights Act a reality, which bTW was signed into
    by the guy libbies hate - Richard Nixon on 23 Jun 1972.

    I respect what you're saying and I can appreciate it
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    Re: Very concerning but nothing......

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    1. The pointing out is being done by Sharpton, et al. To point out the hypocrisy requires some pointing as well. Are you suggesting we just ignore these race hustlers? I think it needs to be made plainly clear that he is a liar and blackmailer.
    Yes, they should be ignored for the very reasons you mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    2. You are correct but the hucksters and this thread are about cross-race crime.
    Ok. So a differing view of the problem is not allowed or something? I know exactly what the the OP intended with his link. What I am saying is this tit-for-tat view of race and crime is more damaging than the crime itself, amounting for a small fraction of crime.

    Point out the hypocrisy. I am on board with that. The problem though, IMO, is far more than simple hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    There's nothing hypocritical about being a single issue advocate who doesn't get involved in events unrelated to that issue. Sharpton and Jackson, whether you agree with them or not, focus their efforts on what they perceive as discrimination against blacks. Since that isn't the issue here why should they comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Cut it out with the Lib BS. Both parties are full of shit and full of liars, cheaters and all types of political slime. As if all this countries problems are due to Dems or due to Repubs...it's a joke.

    As for your discrimination, I'm sorry and I know it stinks...but do you really want to go tit for tat on instances of perceived discrimination? As an African American who has experienced redlining by banks and housing developments, problems getting loans that my white friends get with ease with the same credit ratings, problems finding employment despite having high qualifications and the same promotion problems you described...and many others.

    I'm not turning this into a woe is me post, but it's not comparable. For every instance you can come up with, there are numerous minorities that face it every day.



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    Having worked in lending both for auto loans and mortgages, I have to say that I believe that you are misunderstanding the lending process if you believe the above statement. There is far more to lending then a simple credit score, and the other details BESIDES race are what I believed were the differemce in your lending experience. I know for auto loans there is NO WAY that I could even convey to a lender what the race of the applicant was. The system wouldn't let me. And for mortgages, yes it is on the application, but I also know that the computerized underwriting systems gave "bonus points" for being a minority. Yes, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac incentivize being a minority.

    And as for the short end of the stick... well Straight white males are the only unprotected demographic in this country. We might not have the short end of the stick but we "perhaps rightfully" are the only unprotected demographic. You can say that the "system is rigged for us" as a general rule, and I won't entirely disagree. Once it's past number's on a page and involve people looking at other people I can't say for sure what enters every random person's mind.

    As an example, I went to Baltimore City traffic court one day, and Dressd in a suit, speaking very clearly and carefully stating my case,yes I recieved better treatment from the judge then the Afican Americans wearing hoodies and jerseys talking like they were chewing gum(and some were) with sunglasses on their head. That said, the African American that dressed for the situation and talked clearly in good sentence structure and presented a sane and reasonable argument was treated with the same respect I was. Many would call that racist, but I personally thought it was discrimination more related to respect and proffesionalism for the courts, which IMO is not a bad thing at all. The judge was an African American female.


    Edit: Having thought more about it, I would believe if you said that your white friends with Equal Credit Profiles(more then just score, the entire profile including income and debt ratios etc) were presented with better financial terms. The thing is, a loan officer can't profit from a loan they don't give. A loan officer that declined a Black man that they could get approved is hurting his own pocket, and anyone in sales that does that won't be in sales for long. That said, terms are presented based on one's perceived strength in the negotiating process. I have personally met several people who automatically assume that African Americans have less knowledge of their options and where they should qualify. Therefore they "assume" more profit from the start.
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    BEST POST EVER. EVER!

    I also went into court dressed up for jury duty. It was a murder trial for a young man and I always wanted to be on jury duty and especially a murder trial. Only one guy over 50 was selected and he was a minority and well dressed. It was summer so there were no hoodies but everyone else was young wearing T-shirt and jeans.

    The last thing the lawyer wanted was a white dude dressed up.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Other than the implication that somehow white people are on the short end of the race relations stick?
    You mean like when the federal government is trying to railroad an innocent man for defending himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    Having worked in lending both for auto loans and mortgages, I have to say that I believe that you are misunderstanding the lending process if you believe the above statement. There is far more to lending then a simple credit score, and the other details BESIDES race are what I believed were the differemce in your lending experience. I know for auto loans there is NO WAY that I could even convey to a lender what the race of the applicant was. The system wouldn't let me. And for mortgages, yes it is on the application, but I also know that the computerized underwriting systems gave "bonus points" for being a minority. Yes, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac incentivize being a minority.

    And as for the short end of the stick... well Straight white males are the only unprotected demographic in this country. We might not have the short end of the stick but we "perhaps rightfully" are the only unprotected demographic. You can say that the "system is rigged for us" as a general rule, and I won't entirely disagree. Once it's past number's on a page and involve people looking at other people I can't say for sure what enters every random person's mind.

    As an example, I went to Baltimore City traffic court one day, and Dressd in a suit, speaking very clearly and carefully stating my case,yes I recieved better treatment from the judge then the Afican Americans wearing hoodies and jerseys talking like they were chewing gum(and some were) with sunglasses on their head. That said, the African American that dressed for the situation and talked clearly in good sentence structure and presented a sane and reasonable argument was treated with the same respect I was. Many would call that racist, but I personally thought it was discrimination more related to respect and proffesionalism for the courts, which IMO is not a bad thing at all. The judge was an African American female.


    Edit: Having thought more about it, I would believe if you said that your white friends with Equal Credit Profiles(more then just score, the entire profile including income and debt ratios etc) were presented with better financial terms. The thing is, a loan officer can't profit from a loan they don't give. A loan officer that declined a Black man that they could get approved is hurting his own pocket, and anyone in sales that does that won't be in sales for long. That said, terms are presented based on one's perceived strength in the negotiating process. I have personally met several people who automatically assume that African Americans have less knowledge of their options and where they should qualify. Therefore they "assume" more profit from the start.
    I had and have had minimal debt...maybe it was a poor choice of words, but other than being white, there wasn't much difference. In fact, I know for sure my friend had more debt than I did as I had paid off my student loans and car note whereas he still was making payments on both.

    As for the unprotected demo...of course...white males have been and are in firm control of every aspect of this country. From the Judicial system to the lawmaking system to the financial system, they are run by and large, white males. The reason protections for minorities were and are put in place is because those in control of our country/society either directly or allowed took advantage and in many cases, abused power and minorities were getting completely taken advantage of.

    Those protections weren't and aren't put in there for minorities for no reason.


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