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08-04-2013, 12:57 PM #49Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
The Harbaugh statement bothers me a lot. It would SEEM to indicate that it's on Jackson, but it doesn't rule out closing ranks and displacing the blame onto Jackson. To me the "line in the sand" is whether or not Jackson appeals. I don't think the team can block him from appealing in order to cover up a possible team protocol snafu. All I'm saying is at this point I'm not going to jump onto the "blame Jackson" wagon.
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08-04-2013, 12:58 PM #50Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
But the thing is...the team doctor DID quit. He's not making that up. It's a bit of a stretch analogy, but it's like Joe throwing the ball to Evans. He can't throw the ball AND catch the ball. If Jackson gave the necessary paperwork to the team doctor, he had the full right to expect the team doctor to turn in the paperwork to the league on time, not quit and fail to turn in the paperwork. IF, and again IF...that's what this is all about.
Personally, I'd like to hear more of the facts before rushing to judgment on either side.
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08-04-2013, 01:24 PM #51Regular 1st Stringer
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
Still turning in paperwork DOES NOT mean it was approved by the NFL, so Asa should have waited until he received official word in writing that he could indeed take those meds. Sorry but no one can assume it was approved especially after serving a suspension the previous year.
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08-04-2013, 01:43 PM #52Veteran Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
Easily. A player's TUE is the player's responsibility. Which is why the NFLPA sent the letter to the players and their agents. Asking a team doctor to send in paperwork for you is no different, according to the league and its PED rules, than asking your uncle to send in the paperwork for you. In either case, whoever you ask to do it is not, in the end, responsible. You, the player, are responsible.
It would be different if Asa was saying he turned in the paperwork to the LEAGUE and somehow the LEAGUE dropped the ball. And even then, turning in paperwork does not equal approval. The paperwork could be missing something the league needs, or simply the league could disallow the exemption. There needs to be an acceptance of the paperwork in order for the exemption to be valid.
That Asa already had one strike and still did not absolutely make sure he was dotting all his i's and crossing all his t's makes it even harder to absolve him of blame.
Now if you are talking about his salary being paid to him instead of simply the 8 game suspension, then that could be a different issue. And if the Ravens offer or encourage, as a team, to help their players with paperwork, and if Asa did what the team asked, and there was a ball dropped, and the team is somewhat responsible for the ball being dropped, then yes, I could see a good argument Asa should get paid. But regardless, he will and should miss 8 games.Last edited by Haloti92; 08-04-2013 at 01:49 PM.
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08-04-2013, 01:55 PM #53Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
It's not clear to me that the doctor isn't the "agent" in this case. I seriously doubt "agent" means his actual financial agent. An "agent" is a representative of the player. In this instance, since it's a medical situation, the "agent' might very well BE the doctor, and in that case, it IS the doctor's responsibility to turn in the necessary paperwork on time.
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08-04-2013, 02:04 PM #54Veteran Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
The NFLPA is not sending letters to teams' employees. And "certified agent" means player's registered agent in terms of representation. There is no doubt about that.
And also, it doesn't matter who the agent is, the player is responsible for choosing his agent and the actions of his agent. If the agent misses deadline/fax, the player suffers. If the agent does not make it clear the player needs to attend voluntary workouts to get $2M, the player suffers. If the agent forgets to send in paperwork for TUE, the player suffers. The player can sue the agent for the consequences of the agent's negligence perhaps, but that is irrelevant to the league's actions.
Plus, you are ignoring the fact that a TUE is not automatically granted with the sending in of paperwork. It isn't, "I put it in the mailbox, time to start taking PEDs." It is "sent paperwork, waiting to see if I have an exemption to take PEDs." Asa has not, from what I have seen, ever claimed he was told he had received his TUE.
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08-04-2013, 02:14 PM #55Pro Bowl Poster
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08-04-2013, 02:18 PM #56Veteran Poster
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08-04-2013, 02:31 PM #57Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
Blind defense? LOL. Get over yourself, okay? If he's guilty, he's guilty. I could not care less. What makes this interesting is his claim that this situation resulted from a mistake on the doctor who quit and didn't get his paperwork in on time. All the rest is just your wild speculation and assumptions, while I'm saying wait until all the facts are in. You can't or won't do that, then you insist your speculations and assumptions are the gospel. I knew there was a reason I had you on ignore for 6 months. I should have never taken you off.
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
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08-04-2013, 02:56 PM #59Pro Bowl Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
Not to chime in at an awkward moment, ;) but does anyone know the rules/policy on suspensions? I understand that "repeat offenders" would likely get a more severe punishment than a first timer, and obviously there would be different levels of severity for different offenses, but 8 games sounds pretty harsh for what Jackson is alleged to have done, particularly in light of what he alleges about the doctor's involvement, IMHO. Is that a standard, pre-determined type of ban for this type of situation (given that we also don't know all of the details of what's going on)?
Thanks...
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08-04-2013, 02:57 PM #60Veteran Poster
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Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy
Yep, blind defense. All of your weak points have been addressed. After the powerful counterpoints are provided, what do you do? Counter the counterpoints? Nope. Cover your ears, hum, ignore the counterpoints and simply re-bleat your already-addressed points. Get over myself indeed, LOL
He is guilty. He failed the test. He did not have a TUE when he did. Neither of these facts are in dispute by anyone, including Jackson. And obviously you could care a lot less, since you are so butt-hurt about losing a debate you start lashing out at innocent people who are simply countering your arguments.
What makes this surreal (more than interesting) is that despite the fact it has been pointed out to you several times (by more than one person), you keep pretending that turning in paperwork is all that is required to start taking PEDs. Are you playing dumb? You also keep pretending that the LEAGUE and the TEAM are the same thing. Asa MIGHT have a gripe with his team, but he has no recourse with the LEAGUE. This has been said before, and ignored by you (of course), but ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
What is "all the rest" that is being "wildly" speculated on? That Asa did not have a TUE when he failed the test? Nope, not speculation, hence the suspension. That in order to get a TUE you need to get approval of paperwork, not just send it in? Nope, fact. That you can't take PEDs and fail tests without a TUE? Nope, fact. That Asa has never once said that he received a TUE? Nope, fact. That the NFLPA sent letters to players and their certified agents to remind them specifically of the deadline to apply for TUE? Nope, fact. If anyone is "wildly" speculating it is you in your contortions to deny reality.
Of the two of us, you are the one utterly ignoring the facts. And the facts you aren't ignoring, are ones that are not even in dispute or damaging, in the least, to the counterarguments, like....the team doctor quit, or his agent quit, or his dog ate his paperwork, or whatever other irrelevant-to-the-league-rules excuse you want to pointlessly provide.
Yes, as I recall, the reason was that you kept getting crushed in any debate we had. So by all means, spare yourself the embarrassment, and put me on ignore. Of course, you should also put on ignore the other 10 people on this thread who are pointing out the errors in your excuses as well. Might as well be consistent.
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