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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy



    I skimmed through the policy and the way I read it there is some levity if he decides to appeal(within 5 days).

    Being that it's a union any appeal would set a precedent and any similar future violations would have the same result, unless there is an agreement with the union that would take away that right.

    http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaRe...g%20Policy.pdf




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Silver View Post
    The stuff is no joke. I couldn't hack trying to dose down, I got fed up and said fuck it and quit.
    Here's another vote for "fuck it." I was splitting 5 mg doses in half & even then, if I took it later than about 10 AM I tossed & turned all night. Some folks are just hypersensitive to the stuff.
    I have a hard time thinking that this was a procedural screw up when you have already been nailed once for it.
    Well yeah, but shit happens. Last week I showed up for a doctor's appointment on time but had forgotten to lock the car doors, so I told the admin staff I'd be right back, & 5 minutes later I was. After which I sat & sat & sat & about a half hour later they checked me in. I just figured my GP was running late.Then I sat for another half hour until a nurse came out & said I couldn't be seen that day because I'd checked in more than 30 minutes late. I explained what had happened but was told it simply did not matter whose fault it was, I was late & they wouldn't see me. (They did get me another appointment for the next day, no problem since I'm out of work, but if they had tried to charge me for the "late" appointment I'd've sued the bastards till their eyes popped.) Point was, I quite reasonably trusted the admin staff to know what they were doing, they fucked up, & I was the one who suffered for it.

    Be responsible or lose the opportunity of a life time. Hell, I'd be in Ozzie Newsome's office if I had been busted once and a doctor gave me a prescription for Adderall after. That is what these men are paid to do, look after the best interests of the team.

    I really have little sympathy for someone who has not only a salary, but more support than ANYONE employed in the US practically. Shit, if these guys get hammered at a bar, they can call the NFL and they will pick them up!

    Sorry, ADD or not, Asa went to college for four years, act like it.
    Let me tell you another, longer story, Cap'n, & maybe you'll understand why (if his story holds water) I feel for Asa Jackson:


    It was my first semester of graduate school, working toward a PhD in astronomy, & I was getting one of the required courses out of the way, the Graduate Physics Lab. You'd sign up for the various labs, which were shared with the senior-level undergrad lab course; each had a point values based on difficulty & standard time to complete. The only difference was that for the grad course you needed to accumulate more points (i.e., do more &/or harder experiments). There was also a rule that no experiment could be started within 2 weeks of finals.

    It was a cool facility & the profs & assistants made the rounds regularly to ask us the odd questions & occasionally help out (I still recall how the head prof blistered paint off the walls as he & I struggled to replace a 9V battery on a meter). Every week the staff posted, on a big bulletin board right outside the lab entrance, a list of all the students with where they thought we were (e.g., "just started O-8") & whether we were ahead of, on, or behind schedule for meeting the course requirements. If they'd gotten anything wrong we were supposed to let them know ASAP.

    Naturally I checked my status each week when I showed up for lab. Each week they had my current status listed correctly; each week the note continued, "On schedule."

    The head prof dropped in again the week before finals, asked a few questions about my current experiment (IR rotational spectrum of CO2--funny how you remember these details >40 years later) & then said, "Well, you're right on track to get an excellent grade in Senior Lab."

    I nearly fainted. "But I'm registered for the graduate lab!"

    He stared at me. "Well, in that case you're way behind."

    I said, "Let me start another experiment to catch up."

    "You can't. No one can start an experiment within two weeks of finals. Those are the rules." His rules.

    "Then let me take an incomplete & finish the work after Christmas." Not allowed. "Then change my registration to the Senior Lab, for godsake!" Nope.

    Theoretically I could have added up all the point values & realized that there was something wrong with their assessment of my status. Considering all the other scheduling & advisory screwups I was fighting my way through at the time (no one ever believes me when I go down the list of disasters) I was lucky to have my head above water before this.

    I'd trusted the lab staff to know what they were doing. They'd fucked up, but they gave me no alternatives & no consideration. What they gave me was a C--tantamount to failing for a grad student. And next semester when the department lost an argument with a funding source & had to relinquish several assistantships, all they needed to see was that C.

    What I should have done was immediately make as big a stink as possible to every- & anyone & demand that they allow me to finish the course properly. They might've just thrown me out as a PITA but it wouldn't have been any worse than being invited to come back without financial aid--my dad was tapped out, my own life savings would have lasted about a year, & loans were a crapshoot when the job market for hard-science PhD's was abysmal. And in any case, it was finals week, & I needed all my energy & attention to pass them...

    I'd had my heart set on being an astronomer since I was 7, & I was almost there--except for that one little old C from trusting that my instructors knew what course I was enrolled in. And I never found my way back...


    Over to you, Cap'n.




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by downside52 View Post
    Interesting to hear that "our team dr quit"...is Dr Curl not coming back next year?

    Team doctor is a fairly important position, albeit off the field.
    That part is true. Dr. Leigh Ann is no longer listed on staff by BR.com. Not sure when that happened, I tried looking her up when Pitta went down. She was awesome, gonna miss her presence on the sidelines. Couldn't find any info on her leaving, and no replacement's been named yet.




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    The one reason I am not buying into a lot of this is that this guy got a suspension last year. So he was guilty of something without this type of explanation. So fast forward to this year and he is suspended for turning in paperwork (which we do not know if it was timely), and then getting bounced because somebody with the paperwork quit. And all of this happened from last year to now.

    It seems to me with the type of organization we have, if it was as he lays it out, Harbaugh, Newsome, etc. would go to bat for him. I really was interested in seeing him develop. What a shame.
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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by hopedawg View Post
    That part is true. Dr. Leigh Ann is no longer listed on staff by BR.com. Not sure when that happened, I tried looking her up when Pitta went down. She was awesome, gonna miss her presence on the sidelines. Couldn't find any info on her leaving, and no replacement's been named yet.
    Wow she's been with them for years. I know a colleague of hers pretty well. Wonder what the story is?
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    I'm doubtful he would prevail in a appeal, but he might try. The NFL is a league run by a lawyer after all. If the Ravens as a organization is responsible for the foul up, then I would expect they will feel bad and hang onto him. There's a lot of information we don't know. One more strike and he'll never play again.




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Oh I understan Lob, but like Captain Offense said, the team would go to bat for him. Additionally, I would imagine, given the physical information an NFL player has to divulge, prior to a season, like meds, the team would have caught it. Whatever doctor I see, I list all my meds if I am on any, you can be damn sure the Ravens ask that prior to start of the season.

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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    I have to agree with Cap'n O as well, something isn't making sense to me.

    If Jackson was dinged a year (or whenever) ago, supposedly for the same thing, do we conclude that the guy has to file for an NFL permission slip each year? That doesn't make sense to me if ADHD (or whatever the specific condition is) is a chronic situation. Further, if Jackson had this situation a year ago and was ultimately cleared to play, does that not imply that he would have had to clear the permission process (i.e., "yes, you may take the prescribed medicine") prior to this season?

    I don't know the specifics of the NFL process, nor their policy, but what seems muddled is the idea that a guy who has been directed to take an acceptable drug which is authorized on the NFL's "permissible to take this drug" list, by an approved, licensed physician, is being suspended for basically 1/2 season (remember how some guys who overtly commit acts on the field get a game or two?) and the HC reportedly says, "He's getting what he deserves".

    I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but there's got to be more to this...




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    This debate some of you are having assumes it is Adderall.

    Under the CBA, teams and the league cannot say what PED was found in his system. The player, however, can go out and say it was Adderall, poppy seed bagels, etc and the team still has to keep quiet.

    Now consider this is his second time and Harbs is on record saying Asa is getting what he deserves.

    It's possible this is just an Adderall issue involving notification. But to me, it's just as possible it was something else and Asa is lying his ass off.
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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    HR-
    I agree, and that is why I've included disclaimers in my posts about what his condition truly is, what the "PED" being cited truly is, and so forth. Without having factual information about those types of issues, everything else is speculation. What I see as confusing is trying to synch up Jackson's self-professed twitter "innocence" and reported facts like this being a second offense, or Harbaugh's comments, or the severity of the punishment for what would seem to be a relatively easy issue to resolve (i.e., IFF the guy is the victim of a team physician leaving and some unattended paperwork). There's too much unclear about what has/is really going on to make a call.




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    HR-
    I agree, and that is why I've included disclaimers in my posts about what his condition truly is, what the "PED" being cited truly is, and so forth. Without having factual information about those types of issues, everything else is speculation. What I see as confusing is trying to synch up Jackson's self-professed twitter "innocence" and reported facts like this being a second offense, or Harbaugh's comments, or the severity of the punishment for what would seem to be a relatively easy issue to resolve (i.e., IFF the guy is the victim of a team physician leaving and some unattended paperwork). There's too much unclear about what has/is really going on to make a call.
    Sums up my POV as well. If everything is pretty much as Jackson claims, then it seems as if he's taking one for the team here--but if he screwed up at any point in the chain (e.g., by submitting the paperwork late or improperly completed), then that's on him. And as HR properly notes, a lot more (& a lot different) might be going on here, & it's hard to conceive of any of that that would be favorable to Jackson's situation.

    But until & unless we know more, I don't see what harm there is in idle speculation, so long as it doesn't include character assassination.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau Petard View Post
    I have to agree with Cap'n O as well, something isn't making sense to me.

    If Jackson was dinged a year (or whenever) ago, supposedly for the same thing, do we conclude that the guy has to file for an NFL permission slip each year? That doesn't make sense to me if ADHD (or whatever the specific condition is) is a chronic situation. Further, if Jackson had this situation a year ago and was ultimately cleared to play, does that not imply that he would have had to clear the permission process (i.e., "yes, you may take the prescribed medicine") prior to this season?

    I don't know the specifics of the NFL process, nor their policy, but what seems muddled is the idea that a guy who has been directed to take an acceptable drug which is authorized on the NFL's "permissible to take this drug" list, by an approved, licensed physician, is being suspended for basically 1/2 season (remember how some guys who overtly commit acts on the field get a game or two?) and the HC reportedly says, "He's getting what he deserves".

    I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but there's got to be more to this...
    Something's definitely not adding up here, that's for sure.




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    I think this was the problem. I would guess it was entirely Asa's and his agent's fault.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ons-by-sunday/




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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Haloti92 View Post
    I think this was the problem. I would guess it was entirely Asa's and his agent's fault.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ons-by-sunday/
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    Re: Asa Jackson Suspended 8 games for violating PED Policy

    Haloti-
    Thanks, that article adds some facts (re: the renewal process), which may help put this into perspective and explain some things. I was unaware that a player would need to renew such a permission - e.g., if the condition is chronic and not expected to "go away", I'm unclear why a guy needs to tell the NFL annually, "Nope, still have it, and need my meds".

    OTOH, if them's the rules, AND it's Jackson's second time through the grinder, I have less sympathy. Lob's examples at the doctor's office are good examples of how a process should have easily been excepted to let him maintain his appointment. But I suspect the NFL has a priority of showing they're tough on drugs and not making exceptions. Sure, Jackson may have a case of "Hey, the doctor screwed up", but I still go back to Belushi and Carrie Fisher in The Blues Brothers!




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