View Poll Results: Who will you blame if the offense still struggles?

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  • Jim Caldwell

    1 3.03%
  • Joe Flacco

    17 51.52%
  • John Harbaugh

    1 3.03%
  • Ozzie Newsome

    10 30.30%
  • The O-Line

    4 12.12%
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  1. #31

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?



    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I don't think it was the offense that was the problem. I think it was way the offense was used.

    It will be interesting to see what Caldwell does this season.
    Caldwell is better than Cameron, but I'm not sure he's all that great. He takes his players' input into consideration, he clearly gives Joe more leeway, and that's a big boost. But his play calling left a lot to be desired, IMO. Maybe it'll change given the fact that he'll have the control from the get-go. That would be nice. Either way...it will definitely be interesting to see how well he does with the full season to work with.

    I go back to the Colts/Saints Super Bowl. Sean Payton played a balls to the wall coaching style, and Caldwell didn't. I just don't think it's in his nature. He's very mellow, which is great to an extent. I just think he lacks fire. But I'm not rooting against him; I just have some reservations.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Caldwell is better than Cameron, but I'm not sure he's all that great. He takes his players' input into consideration, he clearly gives Joe more leeway, and that's a big boost. But his play calling left a lot to be desired, IMO. Maybe it'll change given the fact that he'll have the control from the get-go. That would be nice. Either way...it will definitely be interesting to see how well he does with the full season to work with.

    I go back to the Colts/Saints Super Bowl. Sean Payton played a balls to the wall coaching style, and Caldwell didn't. I just don't think it's in his nature. He's very mellow, which is great to an extent. I just think he lacks fire. But I'm not rooting against him; I just have some reservations.
    I don't really understand how the Ravens offense scoring 30+ points in 3 out of 4 playoff games isn't aggressive.

    Good read on Caldwell.

    When Huard joined the Colts as a backup in 2002, he felt confident walking into his first quarterbacks meeting with Manning and Caldwell. After spending the previous three seasons with the Seattle Seahawks, Huard had become proficient in the nuances of the West Coast offense — no easy feat. How difficult could it be to learn some new terminology? “I was thinking, I’ve got this whole thing licked,” Huard said.

    He was mistaken, and he came to that realization within seconds of entering the room. Caldwell had covered every inch of several large whiteboards with opponents’ tendencies, plays for various downs and distances, routes, cuts, schemes, checks and reads. Caldwell’s penmanship was meticulous, Huard said, each formula and diagram etched with the steady hand of a surgeon. Huard found roughly 95 percent of it to be incomprehensible. After studying algebra, he had landed in a graduate-school seminar on thermodynamics.

    “I remember calling my wife at minicamp and saying, ‘I can’t do this, this is crazy,’ ” Huard said. “There were actually times during the season when I was like, ‘Oh man, I hope Peyton doesn’t get hurt.’ Because what he and Jim were doing was so off-the-charts.”

    Asked when he finally felt he had gotten up to speed, Huard said: “Never. That’s why I only lasted two years there.”

    As far back as 1993, when Caldwell became the coach at Wake Forest, it was clear to his players that he refused to be wedded to a single offensive philosophy. Rusty LaRue, Caldwell’s first quarterback at the university, recalled that the coach was never complacent and always seeking advantages.

    The first thing Caldwell did was scrap the team’s I-back scheme in favor of the spread. The next season, with his offense strengthened by one of the conference’s top running backs, he opted to keep the ball on the ground. Then, late in LaRue’s senior season, Caldwell opened things up again, letting LaRue throw the ball — and throw it some more. He completed an N.C.A.A.-record 55 passes in a game against Duke.

    “Because that’s what Coach Caldwell thought it would take to win,” said LaRue, now an assistant basketball coach at Wake Forest. “He loves X’s and O’s, which is probably why he relates so well to quarterbacks. Most good quarterbacks, like Peyton and Flacco, have a really high IQ for the game, so they probably appreciate working with someone who has the same love for the nuances of an offense.”

    Earlier this month, Caldwell said he still did not feel totally settled in as the team’s offensive coordinator. No coach ever feels completely comfortable, he said, not after three games, not after three years. It is a tenuous line of work — a lesson he learned from his time in Indianapolis.

    For him, in his own quiet way, he can only try to control what happens after the next snap. He always has a plan.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/21/sp...statement.html




  3. #33

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    I don't really understand how the Ravens offense scoring 30+ points in 3 out of 4 playoff games isn't aggressive.
    Run...run...pass. Run...run...pass. Over and over and over again. Even the announcers were commenting on it. That's not aggressive by any stretch of the imagination. He didn't even vary it to take advantage of clear play action opportunities.




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    It has to be Cam's fault. It's the functional fate of the universe.
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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Whoever is most to blame. I think it's stupid to assign blame when we haven't seen a down yet.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JMUpurkfool View Post
    Whoever is most to blame. I think it's stupid to assign blame when we haven't seen a down yet.
    It's not stupid to blame Cam. I'll blame him already.
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  7. #37

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    If the offense struggles I am guessing the blame would be bad luck and or poor oline coaching. Hoping Castillo fixes the latter. I think the offense would have been great with Pitta. He is probably the third most indispensable player on offense behind Flacco and Smith.




  8. #38

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Easy one: Ozzie, for giving away our best WR, merely to save $2 million
    Boldin never had a great season in Baltimore, and the $6M (not $2M) that was saved in cap space was used to acquire Elvis Dumervil and Michael Huff. Move on.




  9. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfdoom42 View Post
    Boldin never had a great season in Baltimore, and the $6M (not $2M) that was saved in cap space was used to acquire Elvis Dumervil and Michael Huff. Move on.
    That cap space could have easily been saved elsewhere.


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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    That cap space could have easily been saved elsewhere.


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    See, that's Cam's fault two. If he didn't misuse the man for two plus years, we wouldn't even be arguing about regular season stats vs. postseason stats.

    Cam strikes again.

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  11. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    See, that's Cam's fault two. If he didn't misuse the man for two plus years, we wouldn't even be arguing about regular season stats vs. postseason stats.

    Cam strikes again.

    I can keep this up all night.
    Pretty much.

    It's unfair and almost hypocritical to bring up Cam in regards to Joe's stats, but ignore the impact he had on a guy who was an annual 1000 yard guy before Cam got his hands on him while bringing up his regular season numbers under Cam.

    Just like Joe's numbers and success skyrocketed in the playoffs with Caldwell, so did Boldin's. I mean I know it's not this simple, but if you spread his playoff numbers over a full season, they are up there with his best seasons in Arizona.


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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    That cap space could have easily been saved elsewhere.


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    Easy to say, but try it. Find 6 million in cap space and let us know who you cut, traded, or didn't sign and why those players are worth less to this team than Anquan would be.
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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Pretty much.

    It's unfair and almost hypocritical to bring up Cam in regards to Joe's stats, but ignore the impact he had on a guy who was an annual 1000 yard guy before Cam got his hands on him while bringing up his regular season numbers under Cam.

    Just like Joe's numbers and success skyrocketed in the playoffs with Caldwell, so did Boldin's. I mean I know it's not this simple, but if you spread his playoff numbers over a full season, they are up there with his best seasons in Arizona.


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    Many of us pointed out for years how detrimental Cam was to guys like Boldin.

    RBs do really well in Cam's offense. QBs and WRs are consistently average. In fact, I believe that Cam (as an OC or HC in the NFL) only had three seasons with receivers over 1,000 yards. One was Antonio Gates while in San Diego and the other two seasons were Derrick Mason here in Baltimore. HELLO!

    My guess is that had Cam been let go and Caldwell been the OC all year, Boldin would have easily surpassed 1,000 yards.
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  14. #44

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Easy to say, but try it. Find 6 million in cap space and let us know who you cut, traded, or didn't sign and why those players are worth less to this team than Anquan would be.
    We had over $5 million before resigning Leach.

    I would not have re-signed Leach, had cut McClain for sure and if needed, Jacoby. None of whom are worth as much to this team as Boldin...one guy I've never liked and may never play again, another player plays a position that is being phased out and we wound up releasing anyway, and the last guy is a food return man, but has never shown himself to be a reliable WR...and I'd rather worry about the young WR's replacing a kick returner than Boldin.

    There are other options available as well such as at least discussing a short extension with Boldin, or asking another player to take a pay cut or restructure.

    Boldin's cap number was not this outrageous number that would have required gutting the team to retain.


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    Last edited by Raveninwoodlawn; 07-30-2013 at 09:44 PM.
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




  15. #45

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    R.I.W.

    And don't forget David Reed's $2M.




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