View Poll Results: Who will you blame if the offense still struggles?

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  • Jim Caldwell

    1 3.03%
  • Joe Flacco

    17 51.52%
  • John Harbaugh

    1 3.03%
  • Ozzie Newsome

    10 30.30%
  • The O-Line

    4 12.12%
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  1. #16

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?



    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    So if the offense is bad and we have Boldin, it is Cameron's fault.

    If the offense is bad and we don't have Boldin it is Ozzie's fault.

    Got it.
    I don't really see any inconsistency with that stance (not that I necessarily fully agree with it). Because in between those two things was: offense was great, no Cam, we win SB, and Boldin contributes mightily.




  2. #17

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dscola31 View Post
    The difference is that Cam wasn't a bad OC, he was just a bad play caller. He was too extreme and wasn't fluid. If something wasn't working he didn't adapt, he kept trying to push square pegs through round holes. With Caldwell, he is more of a, "What do you see out there?" kinda guy and was able to hide his ego and listen to the people actually playing the game.

    No one can answer this poll because we can't see the future.
    It's more than just being a bad play caller. He was a bad OC because, unlike GOOD OC's, who take their player's input into consideration, Cameron was an authoritarian "my way or the highway" kind of coach, and those types of coaches tend to have limited success. Even a hard nosed coach like Coughlin talks about the need to know when to be heavy handed and when not to. Cameron did not have that capacity. As such, I would not consider Cameron as a good OC aside from working with raw QBs and getting them acclimated to the NFL. Beyond that, he was horrible.




  3. #18

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    What if it wasn't Cam? I just spent the last several years blaming him and when he left we immediately got better. Of course it was Cam. This is sort of like wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood. The one thing that will fubar any offense is injuries.




  4. #19

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfish View Post
    What if it wasn't Cam? I just spent the last several years blaming him and when he left we immediately got better. Of course it was Cam.
    None of us are going to get an NFL OC job, but we're not clueless either. So when the vast majority of us pick out the same flaws in the offense week after week, year after year, chances are good that we're right, especially when the change we've been begging for triggers an epic championship run.
    I've upped my standards. Up yours.




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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Every good analyst basically said Cameron was a big issue. I believe cossel said it was like a 60s offense.


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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Every good analyst basically said Cameron was a big issue. I believe cossel said it was like a 60s offense.


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    That doesn't guarantee that Jim Caldwell won't have his own set of issues that will consistently frustrate fans (IE if we'd have lost the Broncos game every poster would have been calling for his head because of all 1st down runs).




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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    Every good analyst basically said Cameron was a big issue. I believe cossel said it was like a 60s offense.


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    That's why I take Cosell with a grain of salt. That was a pretty dumb statement
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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    I see it as either Cam was misusing Joe or Joe has a tough time making quick decisions. Given the playoff run that Joe had my money is on the former.
    Last edited by GOTA; 07-30-2013 at 03:31 PM.
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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    That's why I take Cosell with a grain of salt. That was a pretty dumb statement
    The main point is that cam ran a lot of ISo routes, predictable play calls, little motion. Basically relied on receivers to beat the coverage.

    We saw when Caldwell took over that they got back into more hurry up and more 11 personnel and creating mismatches. Like putting Boldin in the slot.

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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by GOTA View Post
    I see it as either Cam was misusing Joe or Joe has a tough time making quick decisions. Given the playoffs my money is on the former.
    It was probably both; I do think that Joe struggled at making quick decisions through much of his career. Though, this year it seemed as if he was ready for more and Cameron didn't give him that option.




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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Ray Rice (tongue in cheek sarcasm)
    2011 vs Seattle 5 rushes 27 yards lost 17-22
    2011 vs Jacksonville 8 rushes 28 yards lost 7-12
    2011 vs Titans 13 rushes 43 yards lost 13-26
    2012 vs Texans 9 rushes 42 yards lost 13-43
    2012 vs Piss 12 rushes 78 yards lost 20-23 to CHARLIE BATCH!
    2010 vs Atlanta 12 rushes 59 yards lost 21-26

    We know where the blame was..... and he pointed at everybody but himself.
    Now I don't think there will be one glaring weakness, unless the injury bug really decimates (like it did to our CBs in 2007).... it may be one person one week, and something else another week, but I really don't think it will be a sore thumb sticking out like before.

    I voted Joe, he got the MVP, QBs receive most of the glory and have to shoulder most of the blame... especially now that reins are off.
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    So after years of offensive inconsistencies, and years of Joe Flacco being up and down through out the regular seasons, all of a sudden Cam gets fired and Jim Caldwell takes over, and this offense magically became unstoppable. Comon guys, stop watching ESPN First take. You don't just suddenly become unstoppable because players magically get better and start executing better. The reason is so obvious to me, Cam was simply not a very good play caller and didn't listen to his players.

    Its really simple tbh. The reason we became so good was because the right Oline combinations were put on the field, Jim allowed Flacco to have more freedom, and started using the middle of the field a lot more than what Cam did for whatever reason. For a front office that I love, and is probably the best in the league, it really is mind blowing how they didn't get rid of Cam years ago.




  13. #28

    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    [QUOTE=RavensNTerps;645051]So if the offense is bad and we have Boldin, it is Cameron's fault.

    If the offense is bad and we don't have Boldin it is Ozzie's fault.

    Got it.[/QUOTE

    We could've had a few years of how Boldin looked in the playoffs if Cam knew how to use him correctly. It blows my mind how the Ravens trade for one of the best possession receivers in the game and Cam keeps sending him on 9 routes down the sidelines. Its like bringing in Dan Marino to run the read option.




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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paintballguy View Post
    The main point is that cam ran a lot of ISo routes, predictable play calls, little motion. Basically relied on receivers to beat the coverage.

    We saw when Caldwell took over that they got back into more hurry up and more 11 personnel and creating mismatches. Like putting Boldin in the slot.

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    I agree and they rolled Joe out of the pocket a lot, which was very effective. But they're still using that '60's' offense that Cosell always dissed.
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    Re: What If It Wasn't Cam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    I agree and they rolled Joe out of the pocket a lot, which was very effective. But they're still using that '60's' offense that Cosell always dissed.
    I don't think it was the offense that was the problem. I think it was way the offense was used.

    It will be interesting to see what Caldwell does this season.




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