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  1. #151

    Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.



    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    It's been covered before by others but the idea that Ozzie "can't draft WRs" is total bunk. He had a couple of busts in Patrick Johnson and Travis Taylor, a solid, but unspectacular number 2 receiver in Clayton who put up decent numbers anytime he had an average or better qb, a potential superstar in Torrey, and a bunch of guys who were picked late and didn't pan out in our decidedly non-aggressive offensive system.

    He's 1 for 3 basically, and frankly it would be 2 for 3 if ...
    2 for 4, or 3 for 4. I know I'm alone in this, but dammit, Marcus Smith was a good player. He would have made a capable WR for us.

    He had a whopping total of *4* targets in 2008, but he still managed to produce a little, even with zero receptions. He drew a DPI in the end zone to set up a TD for us; and he made a circus catch on a tipped ball, that was called back by a holding penalty. He was wide open on that play in the AFCC where Joe threw the 4th Q INT intended for Mason; if Joe had pump faked to Mason and lofted it to Smith, Smith would still be running. Our gunner on kick coverage, he was one of our best spec teamers.

    Tore up his knee covering a kick in the preseason game against the Skins in 2009, lost the whole season. When he came back in 2010, we were going with the all-old-guy WR corps: Mason, Boldin and TJ Housh. Smith didn't get another chance – it's possible he didn't come back 100% from the knee. He was out of football the next year.

    Marcus Smith is one of the guys I'm thinking of, when I say that I think the Ravens are doing a better job in recent years of drafting WRs who have a chance to be good – guys who are good football players. It didn't work out for him, but that wasn't because he sucked.

    I think our WR draft stats will get better this year too. :-) But I don't know which guy it's gonna be, who steps up,




  2. #152

    Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    What I expected was for the Ravens to replace Boldin with someone better, not rely on the WRs they had on hand.
    That's it exactly. You think that the Ravens have nothing in their young WRs, and the Ravens think they do. One of you is right, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensRule21215 View Post
    Anyone else have Smith's credentials coming out of college?
    Doss comes close. The other two had about 2/3 the number of receptions. Did Torrey & Doss start as a freshman, and the other guys did not?

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    In college:
    Player	Rec	 Yds	TDs	Rush	Yds	TDs	Returns	 Yds	TDs
    Torrey	152	2215	19	 21	 66	 1	123	2983	 3
    T Doss	154	1854	13	 42	290	 2	 66	1549	 0
    Deonte	101	1446	 9	  1	 -2	 0	 -	 -	 -
    D Reed	106	1615	11	  5	 19	 1	 33	 796	 0
    Kind of buried in those stats, David Reed's return avg is almost a yard better than the other guys, though on fewer opportunities. His yards-per-catch is also the highest among the 4. Is he faster than Torrey, maybe?




  3. #153

    Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.

    Impressive post Jimzipcode. Personally, I have complete faith in the front office. The panic on the board a few months about was all about the defense, now that has been silenced the panic is focused on the offense.

    The offense is intact except for the loss of Birk and Boldin. Losing Pitta was an unexpected injury that no one can place blame for that. Really, the entire meltdown is about Boldin. I won't repeat what your posted, but I'll point to it as a reasoned response.

    What happened with the defense this offseason is the stuff of legends. Spears, Canty, Huff and Smith are FAs that were underrated and easily fit into a tight CAP. Adding Dumervil seems unfair. Call it lucky but 30 other teams could have made a play for him too. Most of the draft picks went to the defense and people are predicting this will be one of the best drafts for the organization. It's hard to believe what transpired after the dream of winning a SB. Even the national media is now praising this defense and predicting they will be better.

    Ozzie has nothing to prove to anyone and is already considered the best in the business. Instead of resting on his laurels with safe moves he's building on his legacy by making bold moves no one could have predicted. He's playing chess against a league of checker players. Harbaugh is hungry to expand on his already historic run as a head coach with a staff of top notch assistants. And we have an owner who is as savvy and classy as any. These guys are definitely in it to win it. The salary cap was supposed to create parity, our FO is focused on tilting the table by being smarter than everyone else and working harder. Something special is happening. It's a good time to be a Ravens fan and yet some people are sadly incapable of enjoying it.




  4. #154

    Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    The Ravens seem to think that Doss/Reed/Deonte are so good that they HAD to make an opening for (one of) them to get on the field.
    There is no real evidence this was the Ravens' thinking. In fact, there is clear evidence against this being their thinking and that is the fact Ozzie's 1st preference was Boldin remaining on the team for a salary cap hit of $5.5M (vs. $7.5M).

    And when Boldin didn't capitulate, he was traded. And I think it is reasonable to think Pitta was the "backup plan" to pick up most of the slack from Boldin's departure (certainly in terms of 3rd down conversions).

    Now that Pitta is also gone, we are very far removed from Ozzie's #1 and #2 preferences when the 2013 league year started. As for #3, we'll see if any of these other guys pan out in camp or whether another Evans-like move is made.




  5. #155

    Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimZipCode View Post
    2 for 4, or 3 for 4. I know I'm alone in this, but dammit, Marcus Smith was a good player. He would have made a capable WR for us.

    He had a whopping total of *4* targets in 2008, but he still managed to produce a little, even with zero receptions. He drew a DPI in the end zone to set up a TD for us; and he made a circus catch on a tipped ball, that was called back by a holding penalty. He was wide open on that play in the AFCC where Joe threw the 4th Q INT intended for Mason; if Joe had pump faked to Mason and lofted it to Smith, Smith would still be running. Our gunner on kick coverage, he was one of our best spec teamers.

    Tore up his knee covering a kick in the preseason game against the Skins in 2009, lost the whole season. When he came back in 2010, we were going with the all-old-guy WR corps: Mason, Boldin and TJ Housh. Smith didn't get another chance it's possible he didn't come back 100% from the knee. He was out of football the next year.

    Marcus Smith is one of the guys I'm thinking of, when I say that I think the Ravens are doing a better job in recent years of drafting WRs who have a chance to be good guys who are good football players. It didn't work out for him, but that wasn't because he sucked.

    I think our WR draft stats will get better this year too. :-) But I don't know which guy it's gonna be, who steps up,
    Sorry, but lol...
    Marcus Smith sucked.

    Anybody can cherry pick a few good plays by almost any WR.

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  6. #156

    Re: The Foundation of the Passing Offense is still Intact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    Sorry, but lol...
    Marcus Smith sucked.

    Anybody can cherry pick a few good plays by almost any WR.
    Yeah, but those were pretty much the only plays Smith had. Check out his number of targets from 2008 again, if you can find them on PFF or somewhere. They are absurdly low.

    Also he was for a while our most important spec teams player gunner on kick coverage. He would have been worth a roster spot even without contributing as a receiver. The knee, and TJ Housh, ended his window. From a combination of factors, he never really got a full shot.

    Anyway, I know I'm the only one who thinks this. I guess it's ok. But I will forever footnote Marcus Smith in any thread I find a reference. I disagree with ALL of you about this.




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