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    Re: Tight End Options Going Forward



    Mista T is right about the fantasy statement but Ravens couldn't afford both
    Priest and Jamal. At the time Ravens had trouble moving the chains
    in the red zone with Priest so Billick wanted someone to move the
    pile and got it with Jamal.

    Priest didn't become the best until he got to KC and Vermeil changed
    the blocking schemes to fit his slashing running style, something
    Billick didn't do here.

    Then as you say Jamal went down first week of camp when Kelly
    Gregg pushed Flynn back into him. Hard KNocks showed Billick
    getting the call that Jamal was out for the year. He said off the
    camera he kicked the dog over the reservoir-lol.

    Last week I posted a DeCosta quote that the Boldin cut was the
    big unknown out of all the cuts. Well, it's even bigger now and
    he probably wishes he had him back. There was a lot of talk
    of moving Pitta to the slot, something he wanted to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Let's get real regarding this fantasy about rookies replacing Pitta. Coupled with the loss of Boldin, this season could quickly go down the shitter unless someone competent & experienced can show up at the TE position. Dickson has shown that he's not an impact player, Bajema is inept, and please, no rookie sensations. Clark or Shiancoe are the only real options.

    This is eerily similar to the last time the Ravens tried to repeat as SB Champs. Gave away a great offensive weapon (Priest Holmes), only to see the guy looking to replace him (Jamal) go down for the season in a freak training camp accident. Substitute Boldin for Priest, and Pitta for Jamal. Sucks,
    Good analogy. I'm not seeing any FAs out there that excite me as a possession WR or TE which is what we need. Anyone is more creative offensively than Cam. Caldwell was a hero last year and has Joe, a decent offensive line and good RBs who can catch. I'm not going to dismiss the young WRers or TEs. The defense needs to gel quickly.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cj34 View Post
    Ed Dickson's numbers last year were 21 receptions for 225 yds and 0 TD's. Juice or Furstenburg can easily fill those numbers as the #2 TE (assuming Leach comes back and Juice is at TE). The question is not that, the question is whether Ed can step up and fill Pitta's numbers. Ed has the talent to fill or even exceed those numbers (remember his 2011 numbers) but will he have the dropsies again this year? IMO Ozzie will wait 2-3 weeks and evaluate whether Ed can be that #1 TE this year. If Dickson's hands hold up through practice and the first couple preseason games then I think Ozzie stands pat with Dickson and the rookies. If Dickson has butter fingers again then my guess is Ozzie goes and gets either Clark, Shiancoe, or Kevin Boss.
    Not so fast. Dickson did a lot more blocking than catching as Joe went to Pitta butin the SB Dickson had more yardage than Pitta and avg 18 yds per catch to
    Pitta's 6 yds pr catch albeit Pitta's big TD.

    http://www.footballdb.com/boxscore/2013020301

    The rookies are unknown and Furstenburg is undrafted at that. Pitta and Dickson
    didn't start as rookies when they came in together. Heap was still here and Dickson
    was #2 behind him getting about 152 total yards receiving.

    http://www.nfl.com/player/eddickson/497224/profile


    Pitta had exactly 1 total yard receiving as rookie. Then he got 405 the second
    year and 669 last year for over 1,000 yards - all of that the last two years.

    http://www.nfl.com/player/dennispitta/497254/profile

    It's still a fantasy to expect these rookies to step up that big.
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    Re: Tight End Options Going Forward

    One other thing is for sure: the running game will be front and center this year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ursula View Post
    One other thing is for sure: the running game will be front and center this year.
    No.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NjRavensFan View Post
    Literally no one is expecting Furstenburg and Jusczyzk to "step up big time and take Pitta's place". People just expect them to be adequate backups for Ed Dickson. At least adequate enough to not warrant wasting money on a stiff like Clark or Shiancoe
    The only other option ahead of them (other than signing a vet) and behind
    Dickson is Baja. Sounds to me these fans want Furstenburg to be big and the Juice too
    and we're talking a lot of 2 TE sets here so that spreads it even thinner if Dickson or/and
    Baja go down.

    Look at NE. Gronk could start the season on IR and Hernandez is in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Let's get real regarding this fantasy about rookies replacing Pitta. Coupled with the loss of Boldin, this season could quickly go down the shitter unless someone competent & experienced can show up at the TE position. Dickson has shown that he's not an impact player, Bajema is inept, and please, no rookie sensations. Clark or Shiancoe are the only real options.

    This is eerily similar to the last time the Ravens tried to repeat as SB Champs. Gave away a great offensive weapon (Priest Holmes), only to see the guy looking to replace him (Jamal) go down for the season in a freak training camp accident. Substitute Boldin for Priest, and Pitta for Jamal. Sucks,
    Our Big offseason FA signing was an Elvis... Very Eerie


    Although this Elvis won't be a turd (and won't quit after a year)




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    You don't replace - it's not a plug and play fantasy league. The Ravens will take what they have and make the appropriate adjustments. That could mean signing a guy or it could mean going with what they have, but it almost certainly means making offensive adjustments and putting the ball somewhere else.

    Seriously, if an injury to a TE ruins the entire season, the Ravens weren't that good to begin with.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ursula View Post
    One other thing is for sure: the running game will be front and center this year.
    No & hell no. You don't spend $120M on a QB & then reduce him to handing off just because his favorite target goes down for the season. Once opponents start stacking the box, Joe's going to have to show he was worth his contract this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by alien bird View Post
    You don't replace - it's not a plug and play fantasy league. The Ravens will take what they have and make the appropriate adjustments. That could mean signing a guy or it could mean going with what they have, but it almost certainly means making offensive adjustments and putting the ball somewhere else.
    It's certainly wishful thinking to expect KJ or Furstenburg to replace Pitta's production, but considering their college situations (Ivy League; flustercluck at QB) no one really knows what their upsides are.

    (Reminds me of my incoming class at at top-5 grad school: Half of us had good grades from topnotch colleges, the other half had straight-A's from mediocre institutions--no one really knew how much [if at all] better than that the latter were.)

    It's not unreasonable to hope that one (or both) suddenly has the light go on a la Carlton Fisk (who did diddly in the minors & only blossomed when he reached the parent club). It is, however, unreasonable to expect it.

    Seriously, if an injury to a TE ruins the entire season, the Ravens weren't that good to begin with.
    People tend to forget that even with the injuries to Jamal and Searcy, the 2001-2 Ravens made it to the second round of the playoffs. IMHO looking to a couple of (so far) good-looking rookies to step up in Pitta's absence is a much more promising situation than was asking a hasbeen (Terry Allen) & a neverwuz (Jason Brookins) to replace JaLew at RB.




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    It's still a fantasy to expect these rookies to step up that big.
    The last time the Ravens indulged such a "fantasy" as starting a rookie in an important skill position because of a medical vacancy, his name was Joe Flacco.


    What the team will do, I don't know... but Dickson as #1, with Furstenburg and Juice as a possible #2, and Bajema as a blocker aint half bad.

    I'd go with it.




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    As usual, it's just a good thing the fans aren't running the team.


    Flacco was a celebrated #1 draft pick not a little used undrafted player and they were forced to start him when both Troy and Boller went down. Joe eventually became a SB MVP.

    Before that they started Boller as a rookie and that was a disaster. When Billick was
    asked on TV if the Ravens would start Flacco, he said you asking me, I was just
    run out of Baltimore for starting Boller as a rookie. ILMAO

    There was absolutely nobody left. Here, Ozzie will bring a a vet to be #2. If SB coach
    George Allen were here, we wouldn't even be talking about an undrafted rookie who
    had lousy QBs throwing to him. He always traded a bushel of draft picks for vets such
    as:


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    Allen’s philosophy of “The future is now” led him to trade away a bushel of draft picks for such aging talents as Billy Kilmer, Roy Jefferson, Boyd Dowler, Clifton McNeil, Ron McDole, Verlon Biggs, Jack Pardee (later the ’Skins’ coach), Myron Pottios, Richie Petitbon (also a future head man), John Wilbur and Leslie “Speedy” Duncan. (Three of Allen’s acquisitions went on to become Hall of Famers. Ken Houston and John Riggins enjoyed their prime in Washington while Deacon Jones was playing out the string.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Flacco was a celebrated #1 draft pick not a little used undrafted player and they were forced to start him when both Troy and Boller went down. Joe eventually became a SB MVP.
    Flacco was considered a talented small-school quarterback with a lot of potential, but would not have seen the field as a rookie, save for medical issues with those in front of him.

    And as you've pointed out.. he was the Super Bowl MVP.

    I think you're making my point for me.

    Ozzie may very well bring in a vet.. but they won't be better than either Furstenburg or KJ as an option for #2 TE




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    But more experienced. That is the point. Key word above is "forced." You said
    "indulged themselves." Fortunately, it worked out with JOe. It didn't with Boller.

    Ravens were forced to go with Joe. Comparing Furstenburg to Joe is mixing apples
    and oranges. Furst doesn't have that
    kind of talent or experience Joe had like leading Delaware from behind to beat Navy
    and Furst would be lucky to be on the practice squard if not for this injury and might
    still be on the practice squad.




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    Ravens way. Next man up. Was the case with Suggs, Lewis and Webb.




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    Our #2 TE last year had 21 receptions.

    I'm kind of dumbfounded that people are making such a huge deal about replacing those numbers. Siancoe couldn't get on the field for a team that loves to feature TE's with injuries at that spot and Dallas Clark is overrated, old and washed up.

    The smart move would be to get a "real" #2 WR who can give you the 60-70 receptions that Pitta would have and stop pretending that Jacoby Jones is a starter (and potentially reducing his snaps at his real talent which is returning kicks).

    Maybe check out the trade market, or bring in Brandon Lloyd.


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